Does it make more logical sense....

[BobbyS]

To not feel you are ready for level 60+ songs until you can comfortably play all level 40 and 50 songs?

I am now playing a lot of the level 40 and 50 songs on super random until I am able to complete all 40 and 50 songs on regular (which I can't yet). The part that throws me off is I've passed a few level 60-66 songs (and I'm actually kind of close to passing another 66), yet I still can't pass all 40s, and all 50s too. :? HUUUUUUH?

Maybe there are always some tricky bastards in every decade of difficulty numbers and I'm just putting the bar further back than it could be.


*for the record* playing songs that normally are easy (with regular difficulty) on Super Random seems to help a lot - especially when they throw you combinations that mimic tougher songs you have trouble with. For The future (Do as Infinity song from V2) is an example of a song boring on normal, but a good median on super random. I need practice with reading and playing sections that switch around with double and triple notes. I seem to do fine if they are singles (just one button at a time), but when you're moving back and forth and always touching at least 2 buttons at once it gets confusing for me.

[oni-ice]

Oh, this is for GF.

Um, sometimes the levels they put are seriously odd. 60s have some nasty bastards (e.g S.P.I.P and most Motoaki songs) or some much simpler ones (e.g Stay, Too Late Too)

And yes, sometimes Super Random is easier. One example is Toccata. With all the staircases, it will make your fingers painful like hell. With SRA, it will change your notes to be much easier with straight lines, or much horrible with tappings AND staircases.

But whatever it is, don't be so insane as to SRA doublepicking songs like Namida No Regret and Fairy Tales. XD

[chocori]

Originally Posted by BobbyS

The part that throws me off is I've passed a few level 60-66 songs (and I'm actually kind of close to passing another 66), yet I still can't pass all 40s, and all 50s too. :? HUUUUUUH?[/i]

Songs are difficult for different reasons, and they're rated to reflect that. Someone who plays alot of the altpicking songs will become better at altpicking and be able to pass other altpicking songs rated higher than their normal level of play... and then they embarassingly fail something like MODEL DD4 or Destiny Lovers.

[BobbyS]

Originally Posted by chocori

Songs are difficult for different reasons, and they're rated to reflect that. Someone who plays alot of the altpicking songs will become better at altpicking and be able to pass other altpicking songs rated higher than their normal level of play... and then they embarassingly fail something like MODEL DD4 or Destiny Lovers.

　hahahaha. I can relate to the embaressing part. My mind gets all confused and I can't explain it when things like that happen.

I guess I should just continue on the 60s then. Perhaps I will list songs that I struggle with so I can find ones that are good practice for them. I wrote that starred paragraph at the bottom of my last post, but I don't think that well describes what I'm talking about. I'll think of a few songs and edit them into this post or find a related thread.

[aeriyu]

Originally Posted by oni-ice

And yes, sometimes Super Random is easier. One example is Toccata. With all the staircases, it will make your fingers painful like hell. With SRA, it will change your notes to be much easier with straight lines, or much horrible with tappings AND staircases.

I've played TOCCATA on SRA so much I forgot the regular notechart... but I find that even with SRA, the song's filled with stairs XD

But whatever it is, don't be so insane as to SRA doublepicking songs like Namida No Regret and Fairy Tales. XD

Only checkrox is funny enough to attempt those... -_-ll

As for the topic, that's quite normal IMO. Only for me... I got stuck at 50-60 for like almost a year, then shot up to 80-99 over the span of half a year :p

I never had the chance to SRA, so it took me a while to get better... since you're already playing with SRA on, I recommend that you keep going. Soon you'll be posting high-scores for songs like Concertino

[oni-ice]

Originally Posted by aeriyu

I've played TOCCATA on SRA so much I forgot the regular notechart... but I find that even with SRA, the song's filled with stairs XD

Only checkrox is funny enough to attempt those... -_-ll

As for the topic, that's quite normal IMO. Only for me... I got stuck at 50-60 for like almost a year, then shot up to 80-99 over the span of half a year :p

I never had the chance to SRA, so it took me a while to get better... since you're already playing with SRA on, I recommend that you keep going. Soon you'll be posting high-scores for songs like Concertino

Toccata stairs isnt as bad as getting RBRBGRBRBGBGBGBGRGRGB... or sumtin liddat. If you can't see what I wrote, it simply means tapping AND stairs.

Skydazer tried full SRA in the past, with hilarious results. Now yeah, he's posting high scores like Little Prayer and Mirage. *prays to the "Sky" and "Check" Gods* XD

And yes, people do have the mental barrier to get stuck in a certain level. Maybe try higher level songs during your extra stage. Who knows you may cross that barrier once you try that a few times.

PS: I died miserably at Get It All SRA. I can't even "Get It Half"... XD I can't shred for nuts.

PS2: Full SRA is indeed fun lol. I still can rmb the countless times I tried to pass Onihime Open EXT on SRA LOL. Painful, madness, but fun.

[original z]

What I find is useful is to play songs that you can beat, the higher the better. If there's a song in a certain group you just can't clear, skip it and keep moving up. Eventually after you play long enough, go back down to that song and see if it still gives you trouble, but chances are by then you will have learned the skills necessary to beat that song.

It's true that GF difficulties are kind of strange because they have different skills to be used. The groove radar in V3 was made to fix these problems, I think.

[BobbyS]

I have a question. Getting over this mid 55 to 65 hump is CRAZY.

It seems like I've been playing "40s and 50s" for a long ass time. Lately I've been attacking some level 60 songs, and I've had some luck (maybe about 6 songs difficulty 60 and up passed).

Is this area of the game normally a crazy hurdle to get over 'cuz it seems like I've been playing the same songs for a while. I even was tempted to pick up a drumset this Tuesday and start DrumMania (an easy way to cop out of getting over this hump in GF and starting with easy songs again on DM).

I'm sure you've all been through it, so let's hear your thougts. Maybe the 50-60 barrier is supposed to feel unwearing. I'm probably being hard on myself, though because I think I've slowly been progressing into being able to rough up level 50 and certain level 60 songs - and heck I just passed a 68.

EDIT: I am talking about Guitar Freaks if it's not obvious.

[MarkV3]

This may be applicable if you use Auto Bass while playing DM or not...but it seems like it's for GF? Because sometimes the Bass is what gives the songs the higher rating. Songs like begin by Kosaka Riyu are extremely easy without the Bass Pedal. I can pass some high 60's and low 70's songs, but then again there are 50 songs that don't have much of a Bass Pedal challenge but the notes themselves throw me off so I haven't yet passed them.

Of course, something that is applicable to GF (and all Bemani games in general) no matter how hard the song is, if you have it down packed and have played it enough, it tends to be a lot easier than some songs even if it has a harder rating. I remember being able to pull off BreAkdown on Extreme when I was an advanced player after having heard it so much on DDR.

[Checky]

Originally Posted by BobbyS

I have a question. Getting over this mid 55 to 65 hump is CRAZY.

It seems like I've been playing "40s and 50s" for a long ass time. Lately I've been attacking some level 60 songs, and I've had some luck (maybe about 6 songs difficulty 60 and up passed).

Is this area of the game normally a crazy hurdle to get over 'cuz it seems like I've been playing the same songs for a while. I even was tempted to pick up a drumset this Tuesday and start DrumMania (an easy way to cop out of getting over this hump in GF and starting with easy songs again on DM).

I'm sure you've all been through it, so let's hear your thougts. Maybe the 50-60 barrier is supposed to feel unwearing. I'm probably being hard on myself, though because I think I've slowly been progressing into being able to rough up level 50 and certain level 60 songs - and heck I just passed a 68.

EDIT: I am talking about Guitar Freaks if it's not obvious.

When I started I could beat 60's before I could beat 40's. Then for awhile I sort of filled in everything in between. Then I could pass 90's but not some 70's, and not a lot of 80's. It all depends how your brain processes the patterns and how you get used to them and are able to react to them. This explains why I can S Konokono, and B Famiresu SRA, whereas Skydazer can S LittlePrayer SRA. However, these accomplishments are not interchangeable, as I get a C on LittlePrayer SRA, and I know Sky has posted that he cannot S Konokono yet. So don't get discouraged, just keep finding higher level songs that you can do, and just whore them to death.. You'll get used to certain patterns and figure out what works for you. Then you'll go pack and destroy the lower level songs. Good luck.

[BobbyS]

Wow. Crazy dude. that means you were attempting level 60 songs before you completed 50s or all 40s. Then I guess it also means you went ahead and decided to play the scary and intimidating mother of all bastards level 90 songs while little 70s and 80s gave you trouble. The moral of the story is, you really didn't even look at those difficulty numbers, did ya? That's pretty awesome. I like what you wrote at the end.

So don't get discouraged, just keep finding higher level songs that you can do, and just whore them to death.. You'll get used to certain patterns and figure out what works for you.

I guess I will keep doing songs that I think I can't even beat (afterall, that's how I even started playing all these level 60 songs - one of my buddies said "do that 63!" and I thought he was crazy....but I passed it).

I'm not so sure if I'll be able to pass a 90 before a 70, but give me some time. :P

[Checky]

Having the luxury of playing at home is a good thing.. being only able to play at the arcade and not really having that much money when I started, I couldn't really play all the 30's, 40's or 50's. I just sort of pick and chose a few that I liked and practiced them. Then I just joined with good players and played the songs they did, even though I failed miserably. Long story short, motivation to beat the guy beside was a key factor in what made me progress.

[original z]

Originally Posted by BobbyS

Wow. Crazy dude. that means you were attempting level 60 songs before you completed 50s or all 40s. Then I guess it also means you went ahead and decided to play the scary and intimidating mother of all bastards level 90 songs while little 70s and 80s gave you trouble. The moral of the story is, you really didn't even look at those difficulty numbers, did ya? That's pretty awesome. I like what you wrote at the end.

Well, numbers should be for reference I think, but not a end-all wall. Some songs are blatantly misrated too, so maybe you can check songs you have trouble with on the new V3 ratings and see if they're different.

Heh, just get a feel of the song's difficulty, I think it can be organized in 3 ways if you can't pass.

-Almost can pass
-No chance in passing as it is
-Can beat most of the song but one hard part kills you

So, for the first instance just practice that song, maybe take a break with harder stuff but keep trying until you beat it. If it's the second one, just move on and play other songs. If it's the third one, either move on, or try using training mode and practice that difficult part so you can clear it.

Oh, and don't worry, even on high levels the ratings can be inconsistent. Hell, I beat DD3 EXT before Midnight Sun EXT, haha.

[aeriyu]

little prayer SRA... that sounds mighty tempting. I think I'll try it next time

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As for the topic, I'm gonna have to disagree with everyone lol. I say if the song sounds good to you, play it. So what if it's 95?

I kinda went by original z's "difficulty rating system," such that the only songs I didn't play more than once were ones that totally killed me outright. Sure, you might die a lot more often, but you get better a lot faster. You're kinda force to pick up some of those more advanced skills in the higher levels -- that's why you have so much trouble trying to jump over 50/60.

The "relative bpm" of the songs jump; so, you're either having to pick and switch individual notes faster, or the song will have hyperpick sections.

Seriously, BobbyS, I wouldn't be surprised if you could pass Onihime ADV. The two tricks to the song are an easy-to-follow hyperpick section and lots of switching... but not fast switching. Maybe around Agnus Dei-speed switching? So, if you can pass Agnus, you *should* be able to pass Onihime

Wow, a difficulty jump of 20?! Not really...

[Megamanny]

Believe it or not, some songs are actually easier to me on extreme compared to basic.

Take for instance The Least 100 seconds, I fail Basic almost all the time seriously, but when I do Extreme I can at least pass it. It still astounds me why though.