Double strokes?

jackiecorn · 08-17-2006, 11:09 AM

Double stroke is an important skill in real drumming.
So does anyone use it in DM?
like in 16th beats like this:
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Do you guy use two double strokes instead of 4 single strokes?
Is double stroke essential for advancing higher levels?
I noticed that when I try double stroking,they are not as accurate as single strokes,so can you actually train it to be as accurate as single strokes?

Deadbolt · 08-17-2006, 11:26 AM

I can stroke even 1/16ths with one hand on slower songs, but it's definitely not 'essential' for harder songs--it really just makes some things easier when there's a lot of chaos in the Drum Chart.

And for double stroking not being accurate, don't try it on 1/8ths or 1/12ths because unless you can really control your stick's rebound with that much dexterity, it's much more convenient to use single strokes.

shungokusatsu · 08-17-2006, 09:53 PM

It also relieves tension from one arm when using the double strokes, especially my left arm hitting the Hi-Hat.

jackiecorn · 08-17-2006, 10:57 PM

Do you guys notice that the cymbal pads are not as bouncy as the drum pads?
So it's relatively difficult to do double strokes on them.

Melchior · 08-18-2006, 12:16 AM

I don't think I've ever seen anyone using a full, alternating double-stroke roll, either in real life or in videos. Even though it seems like it'd be helpful in songs like Departure or Under Control, I think the precision required to do it on a DM machine (where each stroke has to hit with a certain minimum strength to register, unlike real drums where even very light hits will sound) just makes it harder to do than a single-stroke version of the same roll.

Just IMO - someone is free to prove me wrong XD

Deadbolt · 08-18-2006, 04:48 AM

I kinda alluded to that, Sid, with my post, though it was very vague.

Anyway, I do 3-in-2 usually when playing a snare in real life. It also sucks that most snares on DM machines are slanted so it's damn near impossible to roll on the snare correctly (Watch Jason Rabb's(?) video on this.

Anyway, if you ever see me play both a real drum set and DM, you'd notice I play completely different on both in terms of strokes, grips, movement, and speed :\

sanagi · 08-18-2006, 11:37 AM

Pshaw, i do 1/16th notes all the way to the end of the song with just one hand. That song is Yakenohagara

Double strokes is indeed useful in several instances, that last fill-in in PPR, Say What You Mean, Waza, hell, too many to mention. I use double strokes on Timepiece phase II instead of alternating right-left hand on the snare-tom-tom/snare-snare-tom parts. A lot of people get by without it though and have their own means to do fill-ins. If you can do YYYYC with one hand, so much the better

familyrestaurantbomber · 08-22-2006, 07:36 PM

If the pad is both sensitive and has good rebound, then yes, you can do double-stroke rolls on it. The vast majority of arcade machines fail this, so you're stuck with single-stroke. Of course, you can do successive single-strokes on one hand if you need to. If you have your own Yamaha DTXpress or similar electronic drumkit that's in good condition, you'll see that double-strokes are not a problem at all, since you likely take excellent care of your own drum kit.

KevinDidder · 08-27-2006, 12:30 AM

I can't do it in the arcade, but I can at home. I don't really use them that often, however. There's not really many songs that require you to use them.

paul_lili · 08-27-2006, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by KevinITG

I can't do it in the arcade, but I can at home. I don't really use them that often, however. There's not really many songs that require you to use them.

thx

onionman · 09-01-2006, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Melchior

I don't think I've ever seen anyone using a full, alternating double-stroke roll, either in real life or in videos. Even though it seems like it'd be helpful in songs like Departure or Under Control, I think the precision required to do it on a DM machine (where each stroke has to hit with a certain minimum strength to register, unlike real drums where even very light hits will sound) just makes it harder to do than a single-stroke version of the same roll.

Just IMO - someone is free to prove me wrong XD

i'll upload a TEMIS vid to show you.... he does double strokes when rolling....

and he's hell fast...

regarding the strokes... all i can say is to see which way is easier for you... and also dependent on the upcoming notes...

sometimes double strokes are better, sometimes singles are better...

Chichiri12345 · 01-09-2007, 01:18 AM

I'm not quite sure if I'm understanding exactly what you mean, but if it's just four successive notes on one drum, then I single hit it. If it's slow, or even moderately fast/repetitive, then I'm WAY more accurate single sticking it.

However, on songs like Right On Time, or Destiny Lovers (ex) where there are TONS of notes on one drum, it would be essential to use both sticks for a drum roll.

Hope I made sense. =P

AdamW · 01-09-2007, 11:30 AM

chichi: they're talking about double stroking, which is where you hit the pad and then let the stick 'bounce' off then back onto the pad naturally to make a second hit, instead of actively striking it again. nothing to do with single hand vs. rolling. you probably do it instinctively on toms sometimes, in my experience most decent players seem to.

Chichiri12345 · 01-09-2007, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by AdamW

chichi: they're talking about double stroking, which is where you hit the pad and then let the stick 'bounce' off then back onto the pad naturally to make a second hit, instead of actively striking it again. nothing to do with single hand vs. rolling. you probably do it instinctively on toms sometimes, in my experience most decent players seem to.

Ooooh, no, I don't do that... I like to give each note it's own individual strike of my arm. =P

colorific · 01-14-2007, 08:48 PM

I use all singles. I don't know if you need to use rolls in higher levels of drummania.