Passing songs with S and getting high perfects

DeusExMachina · 10-12-2006, 08:17 PM

For people who aren't Akira at AI level, it seems like there is a tradeoff in ability to pass hard songs with good grades (90+ and higher) and being able to get high perfect percentage.

Navfn2003 can A sketchbook Extreme while I only get a C on it usually but I think I can get a higher perfect percentage on some easier 50 to 60 songs. Most songs less than 50 i can get at least 90% perfect. Not too impressive still.

Some guy I saw at AI can get pretty decent perfect attacks on DM, probably better at me but needed autobass on children's sketchbook ext. Don't remember if he passed or failed it but whenever I see that autobass icon light up, to me its not worth watching.

oni-ice · 10-12-2006, 10:03 PM

So like... what are you trying to imply?

To me, people who can get lots of perfects are either good at their timing, or they take the pain to aim for perfects. I feel the latter is seriously taxing in terms of concentration.

I feel that technique is more important than perfect attacking cuz ultimately, even if you are good at perfects, but you dun have the ability to catch combo, it wun be a good result anyway.

Well, we play DM to have fun aint it? I prefer not to aim unless I'm seriously aiming to up my SP, which is kind of dumb considering that I practically can unlock most stuff by my own (with the exception of Premium Encores lol.)

Different people have different opinions, so... haha. =X

Alex · 10-13-2006, 01:03 AM

Some people are better at timing, some better at comboing. Personally I'm a timing man. When I can read a notestream, I know exactly what it's telling me to do. When I can't read it, I'm hosed. I can't just flub it like some people can.

That's really the two main differences in a lot of Bemani players across all games. Some can be accurate, some can read notecharts a little more loosely and work through a combo.

And the lucky ones get both, haha.

hanbin · 10-13-2006, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by oni-ice

I feel that technique is more important than perfect attacking cuz ultimately, even if you are good at perfects, but you dun have the ability to catch combo, it wun be a good result anyway.

so you're trying to say, getting a 75-25 FC SS on a song is "a good result" ?

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Originally Posted by oni-ice

Well, we play DM to have fun aint it? I prefer not to aim unless I'm seriously aiming to up my SP, which is kind of dumb considering that I practically can unlock most stuff by my own (with the exception of Premium Encores lol.)

yes we play DM to have fun, but that fun only comes in when you don't see low perfects everytime. will you still have that motivation and feel that DM is fun if, after playing for say 1-2 years plus, and still see low perfects? won't that dampen your mood and make DM "unfun" in a way? and aiming to up SP is not a dumb thing considering if you put in more effort, you'd be able to unlock Premium Encore (1.2k SP for V2), which u say that you are not able to unlock.

i'm sure with much more motivation to aim higher, and getting better results, you'd be able to enjoy DMGF much more than how much you're enjoying it now. don't see aiming and targeting for better results as taxing on concentration. as they all say, "no pain, no gain".

Human Error · 10-13-2006, 02:28 AM

Personally, I feel that getting high perfects is one thing, and getting high combo/full combo is another matter.

For me, I'm now trying to train on my Perfect, going with the Perfect S theory (by onionman, where your Perfect percentage alone is at least 95%) training at the moment...it sure sucks when you have like 88% Skillpoint for a song you FC'ed with 83/16/1 or something

(VOIDDD should know what song I'm talking about) I mean, nobody would believe you if they only saw the Skillpoint percentage. Just take two of my results for example:
Wonderful Workers FC 82/16/2
完全な命 FC 92/6/2
If you just looked at the Skillpoint percentage, I don't think you would have guessed that I actually FC'ed Wonderful Workers.

Yes, high perfects definitely make the results much more pleasing to the eye, but for casual gamers, I think that if they can just full combo a song, they'd be more than happy, but I think all these just boil down to the fact of whether one is playing on an e-amuse set "seriously" for Skillpoints, or just "to enjoy the feel of playing".

Either way, in my point of view, Perfect-aiming can be trained, and combo breakers can be caught as long as enough effort is put in.

*navfn2000* · 10-13-2006, 02:53 AM

hey my perfect ratings are pretty decent on songs in the 50s and 60s range. :/

legsweeper · 10-13-2006, 02:22 PM

Perfects > Combo, for me. But I guess anyone that started on GuitarFreaks would say that.

Aiming for a high perfect rate and getting on the rankings page would have to be one of the most enjoyable things about DrumMania for me.

DeusExMachina · 10-14-2006, 03:51 AM

When I play an easy song, I can only focus on getting an SS or high perfect %. Rarely can I do both at the same time. One time on Utopia i got a 92% perfect SS but another time I focused on high perfect percentage and got a 96% perfect with an S

hideki · 10-14-2006, 07:41 AM

usually I'd say getting a full combo is alot easier then getting high perfects. Heck you can get a full combo but get like an E on Drummania anyways right? XD

For whatever reason, back when I used to play I never really gave a crap about perfect attack on drummania. I guess it's never something I looked at but after looking at some peoples accomplishments and other things I noticed that my perfects were pretty ok, and I can live with them. On some of the easier songs(I guess 50-60 or so) I had less then 10% a song of greats usually. It probably wont carry over to future mixes, but heck I'm still proud XD

It's not all that easy to get perfects either. Any person can FC a song with luck I guess, but getting a high perfect rate especially in drummania takes alot of skill.

DeusExMachina · 10-14-2006, 03:30 PM

That ties into my theory that the only thing harder than perfect attacks, is good attacks. Ive yet to see someone get a 100% good with a grade of E on a song. Or maybe at least like 90% good

hanbin · 10-15-2006, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by DeusExMachina

That ties into my theory that the only thing harder than perfect attacks, is good attacks. Ive yet to see someone get a 100% good with a grade of E on a song. Or maybe at least like 90% good

No, i beg to differ with that opinion.

good attacks aren't the "only thing" that is harder than perfect attacks.

try GREAT ATTACKING or POOR ATTACKING.

miss attack is easist, followed by perfect attacking, then good attacking, then great attacking and lastly poor attacking.

DeusExMachina · 10-15-2006, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by VOIDDD!

No, i beg to differ with that opinion.

good attacks aren't the "only thing" that is harder than perfect attacks.

try GREAT ATTACKING or POOR ATTACKING.

miss attack is easist, followed by perfect attacking, then good attacking, then great attacking and lastly poor attacking.

Well poor attacks and miss attacks would cause you to fail unless you are playing beginner first stage.

Human Error · 10-15-2006, 07:02 AM

I don't know about you guys...but I still think it's more impressive to get a 20% Skillpoint percentage for a song compared to 50%, 100% Good FC compared to 100% Great FC respectively...and the fact that you get an "E" for FC'ing a song...

Tiger of PTS · 10-20-2006, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DeusExMachina

For people who aren't Akira at AI level

I'm just going to take this time out of my day to sit here and type the following phrase into the dialogue box in front of my face:

haha.

ellipse · 10-24-2006, 06:54 AM

Since I like my Extra Stages, I HAVE to aim for Perfects, because my combos tend to suck (i.e. Sailing Day Basic 13% combo on GF).

Alas, I am doomed to never see Onihime on GF 11th (get Perfects on Orbital Velocity? HAH!)