PUMP IT OFF NEW GAME OUT ( not NX )

[-Chef-]

at least the interface isn't like the very very first pump it up..
complete with like 4 songs from what i remmeber D:

[Nawe]

That's a bizarre experiment..

PIU+Stepmania+Arcade=WTF? o.O


I would like to prove it Hahahah~ LOL :P

[TougaKiryuu]

Someone's gonna get sued

edit: not to mention the machine is autogen'ing steps

[Kyosuke Kagami]

Now I see why some of those steps are teh suck.

[thanatosikari]

Originally Posted by valius

Ummm... let's not get into "this mix has better songs than that" arguments, because song quality is rated ONLY on... opinion. There are sizable amounts of people who love the new songs and quite a few who hate the new songs. With 30 new licenses each mix, there's always a probability that there will be a player who will hate all of them. I suggest giving every song a fair chance on all the stepcharts or giving it a listen a few times. It took me 5-6 listens to LIKE the songs from Zero, while it averaged 1-3 to love the NX songs.

Keep in mind, because of how DIFFICULT and COSTLY it is to buy licenses for every mix... we can't have the mammoth 70-80 new songs per mix that a game such as beatmania IIDX can afford to do, which also means the songlist cannot change that drastically from game to game. I don't exactly know what you mean by "improve" the music, since NX is using genres different from Zero's. I mean, Terminal Depository and What's Going On are like night and day... It sounds like you just happen to be in the unfortunate category of people who just can't find enjoyment in the NX songs... sounds like you'll have to stick to Zero songs.

Come to think of it, the LAST time AM tried to overhaul the songlist too much, we ended up with...
Premiere 3. One of the worst PIU mixes EVER. In fact, some people thought PIU was going to be dead because of it, until Exceed pretty much saved the series from certain doom (though not without casualties from arcades who discarded PIU machines).

Anyway, original_z pretty much summed up why the interface NX is functionally better than Zero's. Although NX's is too monochrome for its own good... the interface would've been so much better if we had a nice metallic interface or something. Oh well, at least it's a lot easier to navigate for n00bs and regulars.

i think differtent, the NX interfase is too much messy like zero's interface, it's too much time for to select... but, if you don't know where the song is... you're out! and in zero with the channel navigation is too much easyer... i hate that infinite loop!!



the color are a great dissarter! violet, blue and a f***ing animation of "people" doing something like "more more" or "encore enconre"... the only good thing in the NX interfase is the way when the title disolvess itself in order to show the vid



that's my opinion... why do you think?



ah! and that vid... i played sometime one piu machine with a stepmania... is something like that... but really don't like a lot... that is not like to play an original PIU/DDR arcade!!

[Kyosuke Kagami]

Violet and blue hurt your eyes way less than really brilliant blues, yellows, reds and all those colors from Zero.

Of course, just my opinion I can't deny I liked the Zero interfase, but it tends to become sorta annoying after 4 months of playing it.


BTW, on-topic question: Is it me, or the proportions of the dance pad are totally horrible?

[-Chef-]

someone said it looks like parts of a technomotion pad
i would not be suprised if they were
like i want to play max300 on 5 panel..

so deep on the other hand :3

[Daniel]

The problem is Andamiro's current business as usual attitude. We're not seeing any major changes to the series. We're not seeing drastic experimentations with new music. We're still stuck with just a 5 panel dance floor. The musical genres are pretty much the same as what we have always seen in PIU. And with easy access to an ITG2 r21 machine, I'm tired of the PIU series. Andamiro is losing my respect because I am seeing a lot less of a "let's do something impossible!" attitude. I've always thought in the back of my mind the PIU series would continue to expand and refine their song lists for the enjoyment of hardcore and casual players. But I no longer think they are going to improve. It seams the next PIU game will just more of the same.

Considering how many people don't play PIU and considering how many people down right refuse to play PIU there's just no excuse for PIU NX. The PIU series isn't as respected as DDR despite what a sad state DDR is in. Konami isn't trying that much harder than Andamiro so why not cease the oppurtunity and make PIU the better series. Right now I'm going with ITG2. Roxor Games is still striving to deliver better than expected quality work and I enjoy their games for that.

[Kyosuke Kagami]

Well, you know. Not everyone have access to an ITG machine.

Also, talking about changes and stuff (or "innovation", summaring) in dancing games is something extremely relative. If I had to take the same position as you, I'd also say all the stuff I've seen from In The Groove (simfiles only for now) is far from being brilliant for me, and also the music and the steps make my ears hurt and my brain ache... reserving ALL my other personal thoughts to myself because I know no one cares and it's something that has nothing to do with this current discussion.


Dudes, please let's stop with this. I don't want this thread to become a game vs game war.

[ΩOMEGAΩ]

I am speechless. They did a goos job hooking it up too.

[Cybeast Gregar]

Lemme say this in a nature show perspective..

Cheesy british narrator:"Now we see here that the weaker rip-off tried copyright infringement but now he's...OH wats this the alpha of the group is is taiing him to court.OOh this is grueling the lawyers , ripping out the competition's ooh its too grueling to say".And Im done

[TougaKiryuu]

Konami of Europe is already notified about this as well as Andamiro so let's see how long it truely sticks around.

[[kei_kusanagi]]

I think that PIU+DDR(SM) in an arcade are not a good idea... that machine sucks!

[June.H]

Originally Posted by Daniel

The problem is Andamiro's current business as usual attitude. We're not seeing any major changes to the series. We're not seeing drastic experimentations with new music. We're still stuck with just a 5 panel dance floor. The musical genres are pretty much the same as what we have always seen in PIU. And with easy access to an ITG2 r21 machine, I'm tired of the PIU series. Andamiro is losing my respect because I am seeing a lot less of a "let's do something impossible!" attitude. I've always thought in the back of my mind the PIU series would continue to expand and refine their song lists for the enjoyment of hardcore and casual players. But I no longer think they are going to improve. It seams the next PIU game will just more of the same.

Considering how many people don't play PIU and considering how many people down right refuse to play PIU there's just no excuse for PIU NX. The PIU series isn't as respected as DDR despite what a sad state DDR is in. Konami isn't trying that much harder than Andamiro so why not cease the oppurtunity and make PIU the better series. Right now I'm going with ITG2. Roxor Games is still striving to deliver better than expected quality work and I enjoy their games for that.

You realize your argument is kind of flawed, especially in that ITG 1 and ITG 2 genres of music are majority more or less the same with additions of unique stuff.

You claim that PIU hasn't expanded their songlist? Yes, it has it's staple types of songs like classical remixes, KPop, and Pop songs, but they're QUITE different from older Pumps. Most of the Banya stuff IMO has gotten WAY better since Premiere, and some have added depth to it (which is a problem I have with some ITG songs).

Yes, Andamiro may not listen to fans as much as Roxor does, but that doesn't mean they don't ever do anything different. Impossible? Son, you look at some of the missions from both Zero and NX, and you tell me that's they're not trying "something impossible."

PIU is not as popular for one because it's DIFFERENT. People are used to DDR, transition to ITG is easy as piss because of the same 4-panel layout. 5-panels looks 1)bootleg to idiotic DDR players, 2)scary to those that don't think they can handle the extra step, and 3)disorienting to many native DDR players because of the center panel.

Unfortunately, it seems like PIU is trying to expand to the hardcore players (and has more than obviously shown it) rather than casual, but they're plenty of proof of that.

If Pump was as restrictive as you claim, then explain why people jizz over OMG LOOK AT THIS CHART and OMG I PASSED BEMERA NM or WERO FAILED A SONG? And why Pump actually attracts players, slowly but it does.

Andamiro just doesn't do SQUAT for marketing (or goes the way wrong way of doing it), whereas other companies go nuts...Roxor luckily doesn't have to try so hard.

[Daniel]

OK picture an arcade with DDR SN, PIU NX, and ITG2 with r21. Which stands out more? Considering you have played previous installments of each series. SN offers some new Bemani crossovers, but it isn't doing much to feature new artists or help a noticable amount of aspiring artists. PIU NX isn't doing that much better, but worse yet the song list seams so much more alien. It defies explanation why, and the song list doesn't seam to be very refined at all. Classics such as Zzanga are still forgotten, new songs don't stand out very much, and speaking of which check this out:

http://www.ph-online.net/html/ph_songlist3.html

http://www.ph-online.net/html/ph_songlist2.html

What's the difference? It's gotten to the point where I've lost track. Andamiro was on the right track when they released a simfile editor for the home version of PIU Xceed. But it was only avaliable for the X-Box version with an X-Box Live downloadable patch. Roxor Games created r21 and I have had a hard time finding anything wrong with it.

Andamiro really needs to be more assertive. Let's get over this "last time we tried to create a whole new song list we got Premiere 3" attitude an do something that can make everybody proud. I don't find myself agreeing with any of the above arguments because I don't want a dance game series that treads carefully. I want a series that's willing to take risks and accomplish things that beg to be accomplished.