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09-26-2006, 03:45 PM
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Okay so the T.V. in my basement was in need of a serious upgrade, so I decided to buy a 27 inch flat screen HD ready t.v. I got home hooked everything up and the first thing I did was play popn'. Of course something had to go wrong. I start playing a song and get a 78K, when my previous record is a 98K. So i realize that the T.V. must be lagging. The only thing i could think of trying was turning the "scan" funtion off, nothing. Then I checked to see where the AV cables were pluged in. Of course they were in the right slots and not the component slots. I have no idea what it going on! So i figured i would ask for some help.
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09-26-2006, 03:49 PM
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If the TV has a 'game' setting, use that. Otherwise buy an external upscaler, a few just hit the market I believe.
The lag is from the PS2's signal being slowly processed by the TV for output, which is a problem most HDTV's still have.
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09-27-2006, 08:52 PM
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you can adjust the timing in 13cs | |
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09-27-2006, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Davyn  you can adjust the timing in 13cs | Yeah, but that's a pretty horrible solution. If you adjust the timing to something nonstandard, you either have to play solely by ear or solely visually. Both of which make the game way harder.
I tried dealing with lag by adjusting the timing on GF/DM games for a while, but it still sucks. Eliminating the cause of the lag is the real solution.
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Most Bemani games have troubles with HDTVs. As far as I know, you can adjust settings on your TV to fix this (sometimes), but other than that you might have a bit of a predicament. | |
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09-28-2006, 09:39 AM
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From my understanding, the TV it's self might not have a fast enough response time. Measured in miliseconds. It would have been a good idea to have found out what the response time for that TV is. The lower the timing, the better. 4ms or less.
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09-28-2006, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Dewgy If the TV has a 'game' setting, use that. Otherwise buy an external upscaler, a few just hit the market I believe.
The lag is from the PS2's signal being slowly processed by the TV for output, which is a problem most HDTV's still have. | What is an External upscaler, and what is the normal cost for one?
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A good one? About 300 dollars. It upscales the video with virtually no lag time, so it sends a signal to your tv and causes no lag. Hence if the tv sees the video at an already high resolution it won't try to upscale it itself. | |
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10-01-2006, 06:23 PM
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Hmm thats a lot of money for popn'. I have kind of gotten use to it with no progressive scan. Still 10K under my regular score but it's still fun.
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It is definately possible to just 'adjust' to the lagged timing. I played on the Sony WEGA in my living room for awhile.. scores sucked at first but I just tried to hit the notes a bit early and go with the music more. Eventually was able to 98k stuff again. You will not be able to read stuff quite as fast when using a lagged TV, so try turning the hispeed down one notch and see if that helps.
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10-03-2006, 01:55 AM
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wait this sucks...hdtvs are gonna be standard soon..
whaaaaaaaaaaa
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Originally Posted by Ichibo It is definately possible to just 'adjust' to the lagged timing. I played on the Sony WEGA in my living room for awhile.. scores sucked at first but I just tried to hit the notes a bit early and go with the music more. Eventually was able to 98k stuff again. You will not be able to read stuff quite as fast when using a lagged TV, so try turning the hispeed down one notch and see if that helps. | good advice thanks a lot
I just began to do this and look what happened
Des-bossa EX 97.5K
FM pop EX 98.7K
tons of more scores but im just too lazy
Fortune tale beat EX98.8K
Happy dance pop EX97.X K
It really helped thanks a lot
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