The Pop'n Music Beginner/Tech Thread - Page 3

otaku1313 · 07-15-2006, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Owen

I would avoid using Beat Pop.

QFE.

Also, thank you FOXY!

EDIT: Try playing with Whitepopkun and Chara-pop (Chara-pop w/hid/sud/s-ran), because it helps you read patterns and also looks impressive, quite unlike beat-pop. Check vidgoogle for a video I made of Soft Rock Long Hyper on Iroha with me passing a Chara-pop/Hid-Sud/S-Ran combo of mods :3 Just search for my username, should be there.

darkarn · 07-16-2006, 10:59 AM

Thanks guys! I will train up on 9 buttons....

What are the aspects of the songs in PnM? Like speed changers, insane patterns.... And how to train up to tackle them? Like playing Violently Car to train up on speed changers? Thanks!

otaku1313 · 07-16-2006, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by darkarn

Thanks guys! I will train up on 9 buttons....

What are the aspects of the songs in PnM? Like speed changers, insane patterns.... And how to train up to tackle them? Like playing Violently Car to train up on speed changers? Thanks!

Um, there are only really four or five, and it's not like IIDX where you will suck at one song and be good at another; very few charts are gay enough to help one player and hurt another in pop'n.

1. HS reading: Arctures and Kappa have this down, can read 215 BPM at HS4, 180 at HS5, 350 at HS3, &c.

2. Jackhammers: Seems that qkumbr and I may be good at this, play songs like Cyber Rockabilly EX and consistently 97k it, or play CHEER EX or Kids' March (is that the song from 7?) EX. Deals with hitting the same note very quickly

3. Scales/16ths: I think FOXY and Krazy have this down, playing Naniwa Hero EX and getting like 95k, Cyber Gagaku EX 96k for FOXY. Just a bunch of 16th scales and stuff all over the song, sometimes things like left-handed one-handed rolls (Grunge-Des EX).

4. Chords: Seems like an "acquired skill" to me, Kappa seems to be good at these. Just reading 5 and 6 button chords at fast speeds, like in Flow Beat and all D-Crew songs.

5. "Impossible" Chords: FOXY seems the best at this so far, getting shitty chords like 2-5-9 or 1-5-6-7-9 and actually hitting them somehow, but these chords basically show up in older songs, 42s and 43s, and while playing on random and s-random.

Arctures · 07-16-2006, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by otaku1313

1-5-6-7-9

What song has this?

And I'd say I'm quite talented in the scales dept. By far my favorite aspect of IIDX and Pop'n are songs with fun scales (naniwa hero, pretty miyabi, sympathy 3).

otaku1313 · 07-17-2006, 07:10 PM

I think HAMO ROCK has some of those, but I was saying that with random and s-ran, they show up.

Owen · 07-17-2006, 07:19 PM

Ben (Chubs) would be the best at HS reading if he still played. He could comfortably do 150 BPM songs with HS6 at the arcade x_x. Kaze and Matt V can both read stuff well on really low speeds, though, and that definitely counts for something, too.

Kappa, or maybe Kaze, has the best timing.

Foxy is the best at jackhammers.

Arct is good at scales, but I think just about anyone at the 41+ level is... I know Crono was able to nail the shit out of Classic 10 EX nonrandom, though, so maybe he'd be the best?

I am pretty good at chords (I've 100Kd most chord-heavy 39s and Flow Beat), but again, most people at my skill level are too. Foxy is probably the best at nasty S-Random type chords, but it's hard to say.

As far as drumrolls go, I am good at the ones in stuff like Oi 0, Rinsei, and Japameta, but I tend to be pretty bad at Grunge-Des (two button) type rolls. Ryan is still probably the best at these, though.

otaku1313 · 07-17-2006, 08:20 PM

I wasn't aware chubs played at high speeds, RYRY still played, and FOXY played songs with jacks X_X

Scales and chords are really not too different for most people at that level, either, but I know I suck at chords, since it's tough for me to 95k Flow Beat EX and everyone else seems to be 98king it like every time. Maybe I just need to play it more :< I'm fine at stuff like UK Hit Charts EX....

Does Crono still play? I know he was extremely good when he last was active.

I think K.XX (that guy on vidgoogle with the K.[character][character] name) is probably the best at playing s-random on a mini, considering the things they (m/f?) did on the videos X_X I think Sanae-chan is K.XX, but I can't really say yet, I'd have to ask that person.

Kappa plays with cools. Kaze, from what I have seen, doesn't really that much. Maybe if they did I'd know the difference, but they seem really similar score-wise to me, too.

darkarn · 07-18-2006, 09:53 AM

er..... *Looks embarassed*

I don't know what are jackhammers and chords! =( Can someone explain those PnM terms?

otaku1313 · 07-18-2006, 12:06 PM

Chords are button presses that have 2 or more notes. Usually when experts refer to cords, they're 4 to 6 button chords that the player must use both hands to hit, and the chords keep coming up every 8th note.

Example: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...47&q=otaku1313

Jackhammers are when you have to press a single button or a chord very fast (like in Classic 8 EX, also a lot of the older songs have them), usually at the speed of 16th notes. The button is the same button in every note in the jackhammer, but you have to hit it very fast.

Example: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...40&q=otaku1313

tomokosasaki · 07-31-2006, 08:11 PM

anyone reccomend a way to go past the 40 barrier..been there too long..
i can clear core dust beat (41) though..

my japanese friends play on random or srandom..does this help to increase ability to read complex patterns??

Arctures · 07-31-2006, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by tomokosasaki

my japanese friends play on random or srandom..does this help to increase ability to read complex patterns??

Often times, yes it does. It will all help with comprehension and also with coordination, since there are bound to be several BS chords in any given random.

otaku1313 · 07-31-2006, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by tomokosasaki

anyone reccomend a way to go past the 40 barrier..been there too long..
i can clear core dust beat (41) though..

my japanese friends play on random or srandom..does this help to increase ability to read complex patterns??

Though I don't play random or s-random, it does help, also playing more types and difficulties of songs helps, as I just increased my score on VIVID EX about 2k in one day by playing lots of taisen mode on pop'n 12.

**ratna** · 08-03-2006, 12:51 AM

Okay, so I'm having troubles reading absurd clusters of notes that appear in Lv31 notecharts and over. Then, there are just absurdly readable to unreadable notecharts.

Like House EX.

AHAHAHA...ahem. Anyway, that's about 12 levels above where I am, so I'm not too worried about that.
So is there any trick to reading absurdly fast/huge clusters of notes other than high-speed? I've tried toweling, but that only works on really slow stuff like Jig EX.

otaku1313 · 08-03-2006, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Twee Popper

Okay, so I'm having troubles reading absurd clusters of notes that appear in Lv31 notecharts and over. Then, there are just absurdly readable to unreadable notecharts.

Like House EX.

AHAHAHA...ahem. Anyway, that's about 12 levels above where I am, so I'm not too worried about that.
So is there any trick to reading absurdly fast/huge clusters of notes other than high-speed? I've tried toweling, but that only works on really slow stuff like Jig EX.

I'd personally slow it down in training mode, up the HS (if you want) and just practice the whole song over and over, making it faster and bringing the HS down to normal as you go. Japameta on 10 is a good song to learn to read clusters in, if you're to the point where you can pass, or are close to passing, the Hyper.

Arctures · 08-06-2006, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Twee Popper

So is there any trick to reading absurdly fast/huge clusters of notes other than high-speed? I've tried toweling, but that only works on really slow stuff like Jig EX.

Often times it's just a comprehension issue, which can really only be resolved through practice. Training mode helps as well, gets you situated with the hand positions and movements at a slower speed.