Questions about Lv43s

[Lyte.]

So uh, I've been wondering these questions for a while..

1 - How many songs are Lv43? I know of Toy Contemporary, Screen, Cowboy and Classic 9. Wasn't there one Classic that used to be Lv43?

2 - What would the hardest out of them be..? (Can't imagine Screen or Classic 9 being hardest though)

3 - And... how many people here have cleared a 43?


And a rhetorical question. Why aren't all the levels between 41 and 43 spaced out better. Enough of the easy 41s and hard 41s :I

[zorahk]

You forgot Moushima and Classic 8, but they are really too easy anyway compared to later 43s
If you've played any of them, you would instantly realize that Toy Contemporary is the hardest by far.
How many people have cleared? Probably a lot. Pop'n Navy | Song View | Blue River [ex]

[otaku1313]

In order of difficulty (AC, meaning on pop'n 7-9 and Best Hits you have to set the difficulty to 3 instead of default):

Classic 7 (43 in pop'n 7 CS, also in pop'n 8 CS)
Moushima (13 CS)
SCREEN (Best Hits/pop'n 10 CS)
Classic 9 (pop'n 9 CS/pop'n 10 CS)
Classic 8? (pop'n 8 CS/pop'n 9 CS)
Cowboy? (pop'n 11 CS, slightly easier timing in Iroha CS)
Toy Contemporary? (Party AC)

Toy Contemporary is the only 43 from an AC mix
Cowboy and Moushima are not in any AC mix
Classic 8's EX is not in any AC mix
Classic 8 is the hardest 43 to pass consistently BY FAR, and on an AC mix, Japanese players might say it would be harder than Cowboy and Toy Contemporary. The life difficulty on pop'n 8 and 9 are incorrect for current AC mixes, and the closest you can get is turning it up by 1. Even then, the lifebars aren't as harsh with life recovery as AC mixes.
Cowboy is probably easier to pass on stock pop'n music machines than Toy Contemporary, thanks to very hard-to-press switches.
If it was on a home version or if you were playing on a machine with modified switches (as many larger arcades in Japan do), some might call Toy Contemporary easier than Cowboy.

I've personally passed all of the 43s except Cowboy and Toy Contemporary, and there are probably 200-300 people better than me in Japan, based on size of the top Taisen level and how many times I won/got 2nd/got last. That means probably 2000-3000 people could have passed a single 43 or more, considering how easy Moushima (or Classic 7 if you count it) is.

EDIT: Didn't see the last part of the first post. The difficulties from 41 to 43 aren't spread out more because it's quite possible 10 different people could pass 10 different first 41s and 42s. There are a few exceptions like ProgBaro and Niente for 42s and Lamento for 41s, but that's because they're supposed to be a step before the next difficulty. There were no 42s (well, rated 42, since Oi Punk was a 41) in pop'n when the first 43 appeared, which is why some 42s are harder than most 43s.

Here's something for you to think about: Is BALLS-OUT ROCK EX easy for you to pass? My first 41 was Classic 7 EX, and I didn't pass anything above 38 with a lot of chords until pop'n 10 came out. Later on, Kenka Drum was a really easy 42 for me to pass but Enzetsu and Fever Robo gave me huge trouble. Up until Carnival (which I hadn't played when I played FEVER in the arcade), there were only a few 42s, all of which were very difficult for me, so I was left trying to pass all the 41s. During that time, my scaling ability stagnated and my chord ability went way up. It all depends on how you progress through the game and what you're good at at the time.

[Lyte.]

I was pretty curious of these things. So we could easily say that Toy Con, Cowboy and Classic 8 are the 3 hardest so far?

I guess you can't class a single song as "THE" hardest. All comes down to what you're playing on, and what your weakness/strengths are, right?

Why'd they change Classic 7 to a 41 anyway?

Thanks for the info!

[Zerocide]

I like to think of 43s as the same as 42s except they have some stupid gimmick to them that makes them more difficult to pass then they should be. Or sometimes I think of them as Joke songs.

Moushima and Toy Contemporary both have extremely difficult bars

Classic 8 and Screen have bullshit cluster cord mashes through out the song.

etc

Classic 7 does have a few weird cord mashes like in screen, but the ending is easy enough that you can rebuild your bar almost completely from scratch after the bullshit parts. Random can also make the song much easier

I would think that Toy Contemporary would be harder then cowboy mainly based on how difficult the bar is in the song. Classic 8 is probably the hardest to consistently due to the jacks.

It all comes down to personal skill. For instance, I passed Oi Punk and Kei Row Punk as my first 42s and that was over a year ago. But I just recently cleared Nightmare Carousel a few weeks ago for the first time and thats considered one of the easier 42s to most other people. At this point in time I'm also closer to passing Cyber Gagaku then I am for PSG BREAKCORE.

EDIT: @otaku1313: Classic 7 was knocked down to a 41 on Pop'n 8 CS

[Lyte.]

Yeah, Classic 7 was originally a 43 in 7 CS.

They changed it in 8 CS though.

[otaku1313]

I know Classic 7 has been a 41 since 8, that was the first game I played lol.

[Ebisumaru]

I think the hardest 43 must be Toy Contemporary, for me also is pretty difficult CLASSIC 8 (I can't clear that shit), those are the only 43 I can't clear the rest is... not so difficult xD (well also neu, that should be 43!!)

[BabyRyoga]

As far as scoring goes, I can get a pretty good money score (95k+, cools off) on Neu, which is higher than what I get on a lot of other 42s, like Oi Punk 0, Progressive Baroque, SOMETIMES Cyber Flamenco (my scores on that song can be really far apart), so it isn't really even the hardest of the 42s. It just has a hard life bar, so passing it can be hard if you mess up the chords in the middle.

From the limited amount of Party that I played, Viking might be harder to pass because of the end section. I've only played it in the hell course though, so I don't know how bad it is stand alone. I don't think any of the 42s deserve to be 43s based on cowboy, classic 8, toy contemporary.