plz show me where to find 4.0 themes.

stealthkidd · 08-26-2006, 08:31 PM

i can't find any.

Corootai_dolphin · 08-26-2006, 08:46 PM

dude not trying to be mean but there are none out right now that can run on Stepmania 4.0 don't believe me. keep looking around the fourm.

so places don't do it again or some of the other memebers will try to burn you.

stealthkidd · 08-26-2006, 08:52 PM

k, i hope people start making them soon....

WiLLiSTER · 08-28-2006, 12:58 AM

We probably won't start seeing themes for 4.0 until it really becomes established and replaces 3.9. I beileve there was a theme around here that supported version 4. I know the pirate one has a version for 4, but there was something else...

ps NUBBBBBB (jaykay, dunt cry)

Kokoro · 09-05-2006, 03:03 PM

so there are none... yeah >_< I didn't really know until now lol. I have 4.0 and tried to use a theme but it caused the game to crash a bit... heh heh heh... thanks for informing about the lack of theme-ness for the 4.0 users.

by the way... how long do you think it'll take for them to start making or updating themes for the 4.0 version? I know that it would be best for when 4.0 beats out 3.9 but I was wondering if there could possibly be an estimated time frame? Like.... so many months or so many years (possible) or so.

thanks again for telling me, I'm really new at this stepmania thing. XD

**laser123454321** · 09-05-2006, 05:13 PM

Until there is a stable alpha relase, like alpha 2+. Then there will be themes ahoy.

TheFlyingSquirrel · 09-05-2006, 07:48 PM

Did 3.9 go through this thing, too? Or was it just unreleased crap at first, and then alpha1 after a long wait?

Because I can't wait for SM4 to become usable in every way. Then I can actually EDIT COURSES!!! Without opening the .crs file in notepad! (notepad... how ugly.)

moff3tt · 09-05-2006, 08:58 PM

Ha, what's funny is the default theme for StepMania4.0 is like still incomplete, right?

**laser123454321** · 09-05-2006, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by GatzBiZZLE

Did 3.9 go through this thing, too? Or was it just unreleased crap at first, and then alpha1 after a long wait?

Because I can't wait for SM4 to become usable in every way. Then I can actually EDIT COURSES!!! Without opening the .crs file in notepad! (notepad... how ugly.)

Well the way it works is the program goes through nightly builds until 80% of the features work. Then the program goes in to alpha builds. The reason for this is that before alpha, how the features work is going through revisions until it reaches the intended method. EX: look at the BGAnimations, going through major revisions. After the way the features work are set in stone, then they go to alpha and the features wont change how they work in case it is causing too many bugs. Alphas are considered, for the most part, stable builds.

The reason why themers hate theming on pre-alpha builds is because:

1) The builds are nightly, therefore the themes could stop working nightly
2) The feature they used to modify an object in the theme could change the way it handles the object.
3) Number 2 could happen during the development of the theme many times, slowing releases.
4) Its too damn hard to keep up with versions before the alpha stage

e.g.: A theme made for 3.9alpha22 would not work properly with 3.9alpha24 but for the most part 3.9alpha24 themes work with 3.9RC1

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Originally Posted by moff3tt

Ha, what's funny is the default theme for StepMania4.0 is like still incomplete, right?

Technicially, the theme for 4.0 is based on SystemZero from Aj187, the same guy working on making the themeing engine work on 4.0. So it is as complete as the theming engine for 4.0 will allow at the time.

**AJ 187** · 09-05-2006, 10:53 PM

i keep telling people there is a space in my name.

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4) Its too damn hard to keep up with versions before the alpha stage

you're telling me, and I'm on the dev team!

Kokoro · 09-06-2006, 07:00 PM

sooo... in other words... a really long time. ^_^'
I guess I can wait, I got some funny dancing characters to entertain me while the wait goes on. XP

TheFlyingSquirrel · 09-06-2006, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by laser123454321

Well the way it works is the program goes through nightly builds until 80% of the features work. Then the program goes in to alpha builds. The reason for this is that before alpha, how the features work is going through revisions until it reaches the intended method. EX: look at the BGAnimations, going through major revisions. After the way the features work are set in stone, then they go to alpha and the features wont change how they work in case it is causing too many bugs. Alphas are considered, for the most part, stable builds.

OK I think I get it now. So these CVS builds aren't alphas. And alphas are stable.

But someone (I think Takuya) said that the "huge changes between alphas" scared him. So that he wouldn't theme for 4.0 until RC1.

I don't like waiting for RC1

But it will be fun when RC1 comes, because then I can use GROOVE 2.3!! Ohhhh YESSSSS!!!!

**laser123454321** · 09-07-2006, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFlyingSquirrel

Quote:

Originally Posted by laser123454321

Well the way it works is the program goes through nightly builds until 80% of the features work. Then the program goes in to alpha builds. The reason for this is that before alpha, how the features work is going through revisions until it reaches the intended method. EX: look at the BGAnimations, going through major revisions. After the way the features work are set in stone, then they go to alpha and the features wont change how they work in case it is causing too many bugs. Alphas are considered, for the most part, stable builds.

OK I think I get it now. So these CVS builds aren't alphas. And alphas are stable.

But someone (I think Takuya) said that the "huge changes between alphas" scared him. So that he wouldn't theme for 4.0 until RC1.

I don't like waiting for RC1

But it will be fun when RC1 comes, because then I can use GROOVE 2.3!! Ohhhh YESSSSS!!!!

Well, while alphas do have large changes between them, not every change effects themes. a22 to a24 was a huge change ( mostly sm online related ) but then after a24 there wasn't any changes that came to mind other than bug fixes. if you find an a24 theme, it should work on 3.9final

Oh and alphas are RELATIVELY stable. alphas could still crash but release canidates wouldn't.

SO to recap
CVS builds - Crash 50% of the time or 100% of the time for 50% of users
alpha builds - Crash 10% of the time or 100% of the time for 10% of users
RC builds - Crash 1% of the time or 100% of the time for 1% of users
and . . .
final builds - Crash 0.01% of the time for 0.1% of users

too sexy for this club · 09-10-2006, 07:15 PM

Well... I wouldn't say those numbers are right... these things are hard to quantify.

**laser123454321** · 09-11-2006, 08:52 AM

right, I'm just trying to give people an idea of it.

Oh and what i mean by 100% of the time for X% of users is that SM sometimes has fatal crashes that dont allow the game to start at all, usally due to incompatability with certain hardware.