DDR B2 Results

[Juub005]

disco: To criticize my own idea, well, there isn't an overwhelming necessity for it. Judges in real life aren't anonymous. But nonetheless it'd be an interesting option to try. If we wanted to make the WHOLE competition anonymous, with every post and every entry and every judge, well, that would be hard to pull off but interesting. Maybe as a side competition.

Lilina: Another thing is that his main melodies tend to have a 2/4 measure inserted somewhere in between all the 4/4 measures. This measure tends to finish off the main melody. In BASKETBOL for instance you'd expect 32 quarter beats in the chorus but there are actually 38, with that extra 2/4 measure and another 4/4 measure. He can't read music either so it's not really a surprise that his melodies usually come out this way. I think for Bulaklak this is true as well (though it's debatable which part is the chorus in the song). Now that I think about it, Wowowee actually doesn't have that extra 2/4 measure...

[discovolante]

It wouldn't be that hard to pull off. Basically we'd create a dummy user with a password available to everyone. Then we'd just post reviews under that user.

We'd have to be on a very strict honor system, of course, but with IP's that can't be very difficult.

[BLueSS]

Originally Posted by discovolante

i'm actually for this 100%.

perhaps somehow anonymous reviews could be enabled in the PR as well.

Maybe, maybe not....


Anyways, I've been unable to be at my computer all weekend, and I'm sure Neko has been *thrilled* as we haven't been able to co-ordinate the next round yet.

I'll make this post saying to everyone now:
THANK YOU FOR ENTERING THIS OSC AND COMPLAINING.
Actually that was a serious line there, as it was been way too long that the simfile community has been driven by a formatted competition that, while being fun, also has plenty of areas to cause arguing, and all that other fun stuff.

NOTE TO EVERYONE PT2:
I DO NOT WANT OSC TO STAY THE WAY IT IS NOW.
I'm sure many of you will agree with this here. There are plenty of things that can be done with simfile competitions and we have just followed a basic format for too long.
If for any reason you hated this OSC, please do not let it stop you from entering the next one, as it'll be different.

My enthusiasm for running this tournament the current way has slowly been dieing as I've moved somewhat away from Bemani and more into school, life, going to concerts with awesome friends (which is why I've been away from my computer this weekend). How many OSCs I stay around for after this is uncertain, but change is a good thing. OSC will be left in good hands before I ever think about leaving, and I'm not one for new ideas so hopefully new people (along with Neko) will be able to revolutionize and make things fun in the simfile community again.

Even with all the annoying drama certain people have caused, it's still been fun and I want to thank all the judges (even Zounder-getting harped on by the public isn't fun) and everyone who entered.

Let's make this next round fun, as it may be my last OSC.

[Coredesat]

Ugh. 17th. Needless to say, this was a disaster for me, and I'm done with OSC, as I've never been even close to competitive in it (though when I release my entries elsewhere after the event, I get good reviews...).

At least my prediction came true.

[Aeronautical Vigilante]

Originally Posted by lrxevan

2.you're not allowed to have an opinion on things that are based on facts, nor should there be a "eurobeat penalty" which is what you're suggesting.

Allow me to just state that you just used Virgo logic here - the exact quote she's used several times is "You have no right to an incorrect opinion" IIRC.

I'm very annoyed at you AND Zounder there, lrxevan, and to be frank both of you got pretty flat-out insulting in your posts to each other. BlueSS has implicitly suggested I not follow the penalty I stated in another thread. Yes, I'm aware that this is another case of me reacting to shit after it's concluded - it's called 'work' notice I said I was late for it when I posted this - and (if it uploaded right) also fixed Zounder's score (bringing him into the 'GO' range).

And IIRC, Strongbad Techno was my Tournamix 4 entry. I don't remember one in Tournamix 2 (though I've seen a ton of other ones).

According to the ODS, Azure Haights, your 7.5 is actually shown. o_O

Sorry discovolante for the e instead of a. Dunno why I did that (Again, I think).

lrxevan, you have your ideas for how to fix the contest up. When the Challenge Round ends and we get to the final vote, me or BlueSS will be setting up an Input thread, and I am, in spite of what it may seem, interested in hearing your ideas, assuming you can state them in a reasoned form. Things have been run as they are for a reason, but some of those reasons have proven faulty and are likely to be changed.

Wowowee is sort of like Dragostea Din Tei pre-Numa Numa Dance when it comes to american audiences - it's very generic in it's homeland, but fairly novel to US audiences. Since the majority of the judges are from the US and Canada, this obviously skews our viewpoint to think of it as novel.

A fully anonymous competition could be fun, but unless I can figure out how to code up a custom MySQL DB for it, it'd be some rather nasty work. Perhaps run the competition on a 4chan-style Futaba board for a side comp as a theory test?

will-i-am, don't worry about having a fuck huge CDTitle - you're still not as bad as Tournamix 3 (I think)'s "Dragonfly" (where the person accidentially swapped the CDTitle and Banner).

Yeah, another generic long-ass post from me. I'll take the time to check the ODS and HTML more closely after sleep (I'm wide open Monday other than one hour dedicated - exclusively - to studying up on my Japanese and another for a few of my other classes, and hitting the UAA Bookstore to get my books for next semester).

There's also one last thing I wish to say. OSC5 has been the most frustrating DDR OSC experience for me since DDR SSX Mix, the predecessor to the OSC series (anyone here remember Voldwarth87 at DDRManiaX?), which was quite literally 100% stolen files. I've got a lot of ideas as to how to revolutionize it, and I will personally be making posts with ideas when a feedback thread is made at competition's end - OSC6, when it happens (keep in mind I'm one week from college ), is probably going to be VERY different on many levels. It's time that we took aspects of the competition we have previously ignored more seriously, time we got more engaged with the Bemanistyle community more, and most importantly, time we figured out how to make the whole thing more fun for all involved.

Random note: My favorite OSC, overall was Psychopath's Edition, followed by 3.

[jammitch!]

Originally Posted by sanchny

jammitch gave it an even lower score, actually.

As far as raw numbers go:
If we're comparing to the judges, judges have 7% free points to give out and PRers have 40%, so I have room to go lower than the judges on a solid file, and I did. Beyond that, he had very few extras (which is a shame since I know the guy can do doubles) and the steps were good but it takes something zomg to get a perfect score for me (nothing this tournament quite did).

However, my scores were almost all between 6 and 8. If you adjust for average and deviation you'll see it's one of my higher-rated entries. Raw numbers don't mean a thing.

[the_ditz]

The top 3 here are 100% what my top 3 would have been if I had been able to judge, so I don't feel so bad now... ^^

Congrats to Juub, Doctor Mango and Xidane, and good luck to everyone else joining in with the Challenge round - speaking of which, can we start reserving songs for it yet?

[TakeWalker]

Pardon me for cutting in on the arguing, but I didn't vote for my own file. You've got it listed as an 8 under my name. I dunno where that 8 should go, but not to me. Man, I got stomped.

...EDIT: Okay, allow me to bitch for a second. Feel free to ignore.

WHAT I'VE LEARNED

No one is sure if the vocal rhythms are 12ths or 4th/16th/8ths. I say the former.

If you step along to the rhythms, you're a horrible karaoke'er. If you don't step along to the rhythms, your steps don't go to anything.

I am the only person in the world who loved jump-stream songs while a Standard player: Dance Dance Revolution, Daikenkai, etc.

What I haven't learned is what makes a simfile good in this public's eye. I don't know what I'm doing wrong (it must be wrong to get so many bad scores), or how to fix it. And I'll admit, I entered this contest not with the intent to win, but to make a good showing. But since only one person liked my simfile, I think I've failed. Next time, enter to win.

It's not all bad, though; I'm now looking at Light and Standard charts in a whole new... light. So I can at least apply that to future entries. And, like the Terminator, I will be back.

[sinh(Lily)]

@TakeWalker: You'll never find out what makes a simfile good for the public. None of us will ever find out, since everyone has different preferences.

[Xythar]

Originally Posted by TakeWalker

If you step along to the rhythms, you're a horrible karaoke'er. If you don't step along to the rhythms, your steps don't go to anything.

Like I said to Uiru, it's a delicate balance. It's really hard to describe what the best way to place steps is, and it depends on the song. All I can really say is make more files, and play more good files, and you'll get a feel for it.

In any case, your file wasn't bad and I thought you deserved better than you got, but that's how it goes I guess :/

edit: also upon checking the PRs again I'd say at least 3 people liked your file

[Zounder]

@Neko: Sorry for getting into it that much with lrx, didn't think I was crossing the line since I was just defending myself. (If anything I'd think you'd be mad about how I defended myself to jester) Still, my apologies for adding to the drama. Just, when you spend hours upon hours judging and examining so many simfiles and the first two things you get in response are "Your judging sucks because of your opinion" from a guy who didnt even enter (supposedly) and "You played favorites, obviously" for a reason that still baffles me, and you'd be pretty ticked off too.

Anyway, I'm outta here. Done with OSC. Don't expect any entry in the challenge round from me, and I don't know if judges are judging the challenge round but I am certainly not going through this again.

Congrats to the winners, all deserving, and thanks to all the people who took the time to PR, and thanks to Neko and BLueSS for the time they put into this.

[jesterline]

I don't think anybody should quit. All the drama is basically over. Let's just try to move on...

[Super_Ray]

I'm extremely disappointed with finishing 15th. I really thought my entry for thisd year would do better than my entry for last year. Oh well.

[Dark Luke]

Originally Posted by Super_Ray

I'm extremely disappointed with finishing 15th. I really thought my entry for thisd year would do better than my entry for last year. Oh well.

Well... There's not much can be predicted on what's things going to turn up, and luck still plays a major factor when it comes to the outcome... With all the judging shortages I can't really be convinced by the results. Take a look at what happened to Filava Melis in TM6...

[TakeWalker]

Originally Posted by Lilina

@TakeWalker: You'll never find out what makes a simfile good for the public. None of us will ever find out, since everyone has different preferences.

There's a way to make "the public" like it, as in, finishing first or what have you. What's impossible is making something everyone likes.

Originally Posted by Xythar

Like I said to Uiru, it's a delicate balance. It's really hard to describe what the best way to place steps is, and it depends on the song. All I can really say is make more files, and play more good files, and you'll get a feel for it.

Yeah, I think that's about all there is to it. Oh well, at least I'm not giving up on this one.

In any case, your file wasn't bad and I thought you deserved better than you got, but that's how it goes I guess :/

edit: also upon checking the PRs again I'd say at least 3 people liked your file

Yeah, as I recall, there were more than just you. And @ Zounder, you're about the only person who said something nice about my background. I really want to cry tears of joy, because that was very kind.

@Super Ray: I really loved High School Love, and I'm sorry it didn't do better. It really was my favorite song of that bracket, if not of the whole DDR section. Here's better luck to both of us next tournament.