DDR Bracket 01 - Download Link and General Discussion - Page 5

Xythar · 08-05-2006, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by discovolante

Xythar: the problem is that it's 8th notes leading into doublestepping. i wouldn't want to spin like that or doublestep after the crossover 8th notes. that said, doublestepping the 8th notes and then the 4th notes seems like fun. maybe i'll add points, maybe i won't.

It's better than the spins being 8th notes themselves O_o (which is something DDR has done without reservation, I might add). If, and this is if, you don't want to do the spins, what's to stop you from for instance doing a LDR crossover and then hitting the up arrow and then left arrow again with your left foot? They're 4ths.

Honestly, when I was putting those steps down I suspected some people might complain - but at the same time I wanted something memorable in the file, which is why I did it anyway but I made them about as forgiving as I possibly could. I wasn't expecting to lose half my score for steps just because of that one part, however.

Oh well, at this point it's pretty much a matter of opinion, but I think your grading scale is too harsh. Maybe that's just because mine is so lenient, I don't know.

jesterline · 08-05-2006, 10:11 PM

what the hell

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Radio Star-
Steps: Another sightread AAAA. I didn't like the verse, other than that it was good. 4/6
Other: Nice art, very DDR-like. Cut was a bit short. 3/4
Overall: 7/10

Have you ever played DDR?

**jammitch!** · 08-05-2006, 10:17 PM

One more note, since Evan brought it up: the Kutaragi comment is a joke. I thought "neener neener" would be enough to make it clear that I'm not really that juvenile, but whatever.

Uiru · 08-05-2006, 10:31 PM

So the wind has changed from "uncreative" to "uncreative and LOLLERS REASON X", where lollers reason x is a bullshit point deduction for something that doesn't exist.

THERE ARE NO DOUBLESTEPS IN THIS SIMFILE. THERE WERE NONE IN OSC4'S EDEN EITHER BUT THAT DIDN'T STOP MOST PR AND EVEN SOME OF THE JUDGES FROM COMPLAINING ABOUT THEM. MOST OF YOU PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE PLAYED AFRONOVA BY NOW, IF NOT, YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE AT THIS. AFRONOVA TURNS ARE NOT DOUBLESTEPS. TRY SP-TRIP MACHINE OR BE LOVIN' FOR SIMILAR TURNS, OR TRY DOING V WITHOUT DOUBLESTEPPING SOMETIME AND YOU'LL FIGURE IT OUT. RIGHT FOOT ON LEFT ARROW HAPPENS. DEAL, PLEASE.

Like I said last time, if you're going to give me a 3 or 4, fine- just have a real reason for it. I'm not out to win these things; it'd be nice but let's be reasonable here. I'm looking for feedback about how to improve, and I'm not getting it with these halfhearted reviews sprinkled with random crap about things I go to a lot of trouble to make sure aren't there.

Oh, and if any set of 12ths is questionable, it's the first, not the last.

On a complete tangent, it'd be awesome if art was worth less.

This is Original Step Contest, not Original Step Contest And Art Contest. Of course nice art adds to an already good stepfile, but a shitty stepfile is going to get a shitty score regardless of how good the art looks. And hopefully, a good stepfile will still get a good score even if the art was crap. I don't want to have to choose OSC6's entry with "what can I do that has good art already available for it?" in mind.

(On that point, I found a bitchin' Kirby background done by some artist who decided not to respond to my request to use it in the month I had before the deadline. Bitch. Left to my own devices, bad things tend to happen. Oh well.)

Remember- no doublesteps. If you think you found some, look again.
~Uiru

alphabet55 · 08-05-2006, 10:35 PM

That's true. Doublesteps are really a figment of the imagination. With enough memorization and spinning, you only ever have to use the same foot twice if it's for the same arrow, or if there is a freeze involved.

cpubasic13 · 08-05-2006, 10:54 PM

Time to defend my file. :P

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Originally Posted by Jesterline

Breaking Benjamin - Blow Me Away
Steps: 2/6
Some parts were too hard and some parts were a little weird. Creative though.

Everything Else: 1/4
Those graphics are really ugly. I think the BPM should be half of what you had it, too. It also went on for too long.

TOTAL: 3/10

Creative, yet too hard and weird? Uh... kind of don't get it. If I didn't add in the hard parts it'd be a boring 7 or 8 and if I only made it hard it'd be a 10. Since its a combo of the two, its a 9. Also, half BPM? You'd prefer a 97 BPM file for this song? I would have done that, but then it'd be too slow for this song.

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Originally Posted by Xythar

Steps: 3.5/6 Needs more freeze arrows and 16ths at nearly 200 bpm! I mean less. >_> Really, I think this is much more deserving of a 10 than Action Radius is thanks to those 16ths. The early few aren't as bad but the crossover ones are pretty ridiculous. Also, these were very double steppy for me, particularly early on, although to a certain point that's just forced by the freeze arrows anyway. Also, 8ths during a freeze arrow at this speed are not cool, even if (or especially if!) they're on the same arrow. There are also a few short freezes.

Everything Else: 3/4 The graphics could be better, I think. The text is a bit small and distorted and it's kind of fuzzy on the background. Props for the slowdown effect during the song, tho, that was well done.

6.5/10 Needs a little more work, particularly in knowing what is and isn't reasonable at nearly 200 bpm. Crossover 16th stream really isn't, especially for a 9.

I'll admit those were a little farfetched, but I did like the crossovers personally. I tried to vary it up a bit and might have gotten a bit carried away. :P Anyway, yes, the text is blurred. It was like that before I added in Master Chief, which the background was just an explosion... I'm hoping for a picture of MC shooting a rocket to use instead for when I re-release this. *hugs Photoshop 7.0 and kills Elements 2.0*

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Originally Posted by discovolante

Blow Me Away-
Steps: Biggest problem here is the 16ths. They don't follow the music properly every time and many of them force the player to crossover, which is way too fast for a song that is otherwise pretty easy. The other problem I had was that during the choruses the majority of the steps were just 8th notes while there was definitely some other rhythm going on. Other than that it was alright. 3/6
Other: Halo? Huh? Not bad quality though. Song doesn't really fit DDR, but whatever. 3/4
Overall: 6/10 Steps could use some work.

*notes to self to fix those later* Seems like a problem with that. Also, the reason the choruses are like that is because when working on this I was in a van going to New Hampshire.

It was hard to hear certain beats then... :P But... what 8th notes during the freezes? As far as I know, they are just 4th notes.

Just... you know, defending my file.

Anyway, expect my review to have all difficulties reviewed equally. Therefore, if your Light and Standard just plain out suck, you are already at 2/6. :P Sorry, but sometimes other people like to play this on my computer and... can't do Heavy at all. If Light and Standard are crap, they'll have no fun with it. Its supposed to be fun for everyone.

*

at Disco Dog's background*

discovolante · 08-05-2006, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Uiru

So the wind has changed from "uncreative" to "uncreative and LOLLERS REASON X", where lollers reason x is a bullshit point deduction for something that doesn't exist.

THERE ARE NO DOUBLESTEPS IN THIS SIMFILE. THERE WERE NONE IN OSC4'S EDEN EITHER BUT THAT DIDN'T STOP MOST PR AND EVEN SOME OF THE JUDGES FROM COMPLAINING ABOUT THEM. MOST OF YOU PEOPLE SHOULD HAVE PLAYED AFRONOVA BY NOW, IF NOT, YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE AT THIS. AFRONOVA TURNS ARE NOT DOUBLESTEPS. TRY SP-TRIP MACHINE OR BE LOVIN' FOR SIMILAR TURNS, OR TRY DOING V WITHOUT DOUBLESTEPPING SOMETIME AND YOU'LL FIGURE IT OUT. RIGHT FOOT ON LEFT ARROW HAPPENS. DEAL, PLEASE.

Like I said last time, if you're going to give me a 3 or 4, fine- just have a real reason for it. I'm not out to win these things; it'd be nice but let's be reasonable here. I'm looking for feedback about how to improve, and I'm not getting it with these halfhearted reviews sprinkled with random crap about things I go to a lot of trouble to make sure aren't there.

Oh, and if any set of 12ths is questionable, it's the first, not the last.

On a complete tangent, it'd be awesome if art was worth less.

This is Original Step Contest, not Original Step Contest And Art Contest. Of course nice art adds to an already good stepfile, but a shitty stepfile is going to get a shitty score regardless of how good the art looks. And hopefully, a good stepfile will still get a good score even if the art was crap. I don't want to have to choose OSC6's entry with "what can I do that has good art already available for it?" in mind.

(On that point, I found a bitchin' Kirby background done by some artist who decided not to respond to my request to use it in the month I had before the deadline. Bitch. Left to my own devices, bad things tend to happen. Oh well.)

Remember- no doublesteps. If you think you found some, look again.
~Uiru

I was reading this review and listening until I found out that it was the file you were talking about. That file sucked, doublesteps or not.

jesterline: what the hell are you even complaining about?

lrxevan · 08-05-2006, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by discovolante

I was reading this review and listening until I found out that it was the file you were talking about. That file sucked, doublesteps or not.

jesterline: what the hell are you even complaining about?

His (very much justified) complaining is based on the fact that you know nothing about DDR, and seem to be basing your reviews on knowledge gained from not just ITG steps, but from an ITG-based step competition.

In short, your reviews are flawed and baseless.

PlatinumHawke · 08-05-2006, 11:16 PM

Question to those that found my 16th use strange. Which set was it? The first one just between the intro and verse, the 2nd verse, or at the very ending?

jesterline · 08-05-2006, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by discovolante

I was reading this review and listening until I found out that it was the file you were talking about. That file sucked, doublesteps or not.

jesterline: what the hell are you even complaining about?

I'm complaining about the fact that a 1:29 cut is apparently too short.

Please justify this critique with DDR cuts.

(PS: You can't

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Originally Posted by PlatinumHawke

Question to those that found my 16th use strange. Which set was it? The first one just between the intro and verse, the 2nd verse, or at the very ending?

I'm talking about measures 27-31. I think I hear what you're trying to follow, but it sounds off. I might be missing something, so if you want me to reconsider, just show me and I'll be sure to change my score. (This goes for everyone.)

Anyway, anybody judging my light/standard steps please read my readme, because 8th notes are allowed in light steps and I used them totally fine. (You'll get justification in the readme.)

Every section of this post has a message in parenthesis. (Haha)

discovolante · 08-05-2006, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by lrxevan

His (very much justified) complaining is based on the fact that you know nothing about DDR, and seem to be basing your reviews on knowledge gained from not just ITG steps, but from an ITG-based step competition.

In short, your reviews are flawed and baseless.

Who the hell are you to talk? I've been playing DDR for two years, and I haven't stopped playing since then. If you see his post above, it was that he was referring to the cut.

Furthermore, the only ITG-based-critique I made was the artist title in the BG, and I even took that out. I even gave extra points to those who made their steps deliberately DDR-like.

So don't go around like a proud asshole telling me that I know nothing about DDR. I'm willing to bet I know more than you do. Fuck off.

Jesterline: I wasn't referring to the length, more to the fact that it just feels too short. A song could be 6:34 and still feel too short in my opinion if it ends abruptly or doesn't accomplish what it set to do in its six minutes of time.

jesterline · 08-05-2006, 11:26 PM

How does it end abruptly? I used the ending straight from the full version of the song.

Also, it's obvious you don't know much about DDR and giving off a know it all attitude is not going to help your case.

discovolante · 08-05-2006, 11:30 PM

I didn't say it ended abruptly, I said that could be one case. I think there's just not enough after the chorus. But seriously, chill out, I liked your file.

And stop, seriously, I know plenty about DDR. This is getting really obnoxious.

jesterline · 08-05-2006, 11:31 PM

Your reviews are obnoxious and I am done trying to justify my file to you because you're really dumb.

lrxevan · 08-05-2006, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by discovolante

Who the hell are you to talk? I've been playing DDR for two years, and I haven't stopped playing since then. If you see his post above, it was that he was referring to the cut.

Furthermore, the only ITG-based-critique I made was the artist title in the BG, and I even took that out. I even gave extra points to those who made their steps deliberately DDR-like.

So don't go around like a proud asshole telling me that I know nothing about DDR. I'm willing to bet I know more than you do. Fuck off.

Jesterline: I wasn't referring to the length, more to the fact that it just feels too short. A song could be 6:34 and still feel too short in my opinion if it ends abruptly or doesn't accomplish what it set to do in its six minutes of time.

First of all, we need to straighten one thing out. I don't act like a proud asshole, I am a proud asshole, and don't you forget it.

And I don't care how long you've been "playing" DDR. JSB, one of the best players in the history of the world, doesn't know the difference between his ass and a hole in the ground when it comes to composing a well-made step chart, and I know this because I talk to him on a fairly regular basis. Please do not tell me what I know and what I do know.

Radio Star is the best file in this bracket. The only time DDR ever used artist names in the background was in Ultramix. DDR players don't necessarily know jack shit about DDR, even good ones. You are, for all intents and purposes, hard evidence of this fact.