A few things about song titles/cdtitles

[lrxevan]

Originally Posted by NekoIncardine

As head judge and the guy who officially decides these things, I do not give a damn about most every other point you made, professional or not, and this one is officially, flat out, said like Lex Luthor WROOOOOOOOOOOONG.

If they wish to use author labels for the CD Title, it is their right and perogative to do so, and I strongly encourage it. Names mean things in this community whether you'd like to admit it or not, and if they want to show their name more clearly to interest players, they should do so.

oh, and http://dictionary.reference.com/sear...&q=prerogative

[Xythar]

Originally Posted by ranatalus

V for Extreme is arranged differently on DDR than it is in IIDX, just like Frozen Ray. Like, if you took Nemesis and re-arranged it so that it played the second half first, cut out part of the beginning, then played the middle, I guess that could warrant a (for XXXX) subtitle

Originally Posted by lrxevan

This is correct. The (For Extreme) versions of DDR songs are arranged differently by the original artists of said songs and are thus versions created specifically "For Extreme."

I should mention that if someone who is not the original artist edits it in the way ranatalus describes, it is still not a new version of the song, but an edit. Edits have no place in song tags.

Okay, so I got out the DDR Extreme OST, and listened to all the "for Extreme" versions next to the original IIDX versions, and I'm not convinced.

L'amour et la liberte was the only one that was significantly rearranged. Frozen Ray was a different cut from the full version, much like Beyond the Earth - it cuts out the second piano solo, but extends the ending. The last 5 seconds may have been new, I'm not sure on that one. V sounded slightly different, but it may just have been a bass boost.

Colors, Stoic, Sync and Aoi Shoudou are all straight cuts. They sound identical to the IIDX versions, except that the cut parts are missing. But they are cuts just like anyone who wanted to step a IIDX file would make, they don't rearrange the file at all (structure or musically) so by your argument they should not be "for extreme". In cases like Aoi Shoudou as little as 10 seconds was missing from the middle.

[sanchny]

What are your thoughts on Japanese/Western name order for artists, and for romanizations in general? And the use of the original language in banners and backgrounds?

[Xythar]

My opinion on it, if anyone wanted to know :P is that banners/backgrounds should contain the original language, and the SM file should contain the original language in the #TITLE, #ARTIST etc tags and romanisations in the TRANSLIT tags (and that DWI files should have an appropriate DISPLAYARTIST).

I think it makes sense to write Japanese names in Western order when romanised, but in Japanese order when in original language.

[Aeronautical Vigilante]

Originally Posted by Xythar

My opinion on it, if anyone wanted to know :P is that banners/backgrounds should contain the original language, and the SM file should contain the original language in the #TITLE, #ARTIST etc tags and romanisations in the TRANSLIT tags (and that DWI files should have an appropriate DISPLAYARTIST).

I think it makes sense to write Japanese names in Western order when romanised, but in Japanese order when in original language.

Again, up to the individual simfilers, however I agree with Xythar's analysis except in cases where the artist in question has sold themself on both sides of the Pacific with the same ordering (I can't think of examples off the top of my head).

[Juub005]

I agree with everything evan said except in regard to CDtitles. It may be called a CDtitle by Stepmania, but the reality is that not even in DDR is that spinning image (or in some cases not spinning) always the title of a CD. "Konami original" is NOT the title of a CD, despite that it is used as a CDtitle in actual DDR games. Neither is "DDR home versions." I don't personally have any problem with people doing things like "3t2309 originals," provided that the CDtitle looks smooth and professional. I most certainly believe that there's no problem with someone making their own pack of simfiles with a corresponding theme and putting in a CDtitle corresponding to that pack. In some cases, a CDtitle actually gives the feeling of redundancy when people just pull the artist text from the song banner in the case of a self-titled album.

In short it looks to me to be too much of a disputable matter for there to be a consensus. I just remembered that in OSC4 I placed numerous CDtitle choices in my Extras folder in case you didn't like the one I used.

[PlatinumHawke]

Everything agreed for with the exception of...

Originally Posted by lrxevan

It is not okay to use the cdtitle as a place to advertise your simfile site, alias... ...All of that information is and should be left to your readme file.

I'll make a bit of an assumption here, and bet that more people will notice the CDtitle when playing Stepmania as opposed to taking the time to open the readme file. I don't see why that little extra name recognition would be a totally bad thing. As long as your CDtitle isn't obxiously huge, it shouldn't be that big of an issue to SM users.

[BLueSS]

Just to be clear for those who are new, lrxevan is not OSC staff, he is just stating his opinion on this issue.

[TakeWalker]

I'll agree that all points which were numbered in the original post are also pet peeves of mine. At least some attempt at professionalism should be made.

As for CDTitles, I've always used my own graphic for that. I was fully under the impression that this was, in fact, what CDTitles were meant for. But since the opinion of the OSC staff is counter to the first one stated in this thread, I'll not worry about it, and merrily go about trying to get myself a better one.

[lrxevan]

Originally Posted by BLueSS

Just to be clear for those who are new, lrxevan is not OSC staff, he is just stating his opinion on this issue.

Sorry. I should have clarified this in the post. I'll go back and edit it.

(I will still take this as a compliment.)

EDIT: I have posted a foreward with the post now that, in addition to explaining my non-staff position, explains my opinion. People make threads like these all the time, and if I were you guys, I probably wouldn't listen to a thing I had to say either unless I gave myself a compelling reason to.

...wow, that was a mouthful.

[the_ditz]

The old nDDRo crew have always strongly disagreed with having nicknames in cd-titles and such, but I don't see anything wrong with it. Hell, when I had an SEB 161 cd-title for Yellow Butterfly in OSC 4, someone actually complained about it saying they would have preferred one with my author name - go figure :P

[alphabet55]

I like authors putting their name/symbol as the cdtitle. Every once in a while I'll download a sim pack like OSC4, and I'll see a symbol I recognize and I'll be like, "Hey! I know that guy. He did such-and-such." It scores some points with me.

[Manator]

I agree with everything but the CDTitles. I always make custom CDTitles for my songs. However, this OSC I'll be putting in the correct one. Stepmania Lightwave cdtitles will be featured in my entries.

[cpubasic13]

Eh, usually its my name. This time, however, just some text with some decor stating where its from. I'll include my name CDTitle included as cpdtitle.png (Its easier to remove a letter than renaming a file entirely. :P ) if you choose to have usernames, but by default it will be the first.

...I just... don't see what the big deal is. It is just a small graphic. It doesn't affect the steps of the simfile at all. :P I mean, the banner and background, yes, but a CDTitle is what I use to detirmine who made it incase there are two instances of a song in my game.

[taboo]

So this is all that hulabaloo over the cdtitle mess huh? Seems like making too big a deal over something really. I'll be making my own for my file, not too sure what to do with such a task, but I'm sure I'll find something.