ITG Bracket - Tentative results - Page 4

#Infinity · 08-08-2006, 05:20 PM

1. The song is supposed to be hardcore techno, which is exactly what would work for such a hard song in ITG. If you want something boring and repetitive, you need to listen to Boogie Down. This isn't DDR, and songs such as it are what perfectly fit in with ITG.

2. As I stated, the rules suck for that.

3. I'm just pointing out that that was a big reason my simfile got rated so low from you.

4. The rules suck (I said it twice because it's breaking the rules that official ITG simfiles have by being forced to make the background quite different from the banner).

alphabet55 · 08-08-2006, 09:04 PM

Actually, if you really look closely, most of the ITG song's banners are slightly different from their backgrounds. Or at least it seems that way to me.

#Infinity · 08-08-2006, 09:08 PM

Too bad Jammitch was still taking off lots of points for Breathe's banner, which is just as similar to the song's background as with any ITG song, according to your point. It seems that the two pictures have to be significantly different just to be adequate.

**jammitch!** · 08-08-2006, 09:28 PM

If you made any noticeable change to the BG (including the same layers moved around, one layer hidden, etc etc) you didn't get in the automatic penalty zone.

I still don't see what the big deal is. If you didn't like the rules you should have complained much earlier than this, but that's been in effect since at least OSC 4, and I graded the same way then.

discovolante · 08-08-2006, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by alphabet55

Actually, if you really look closely, most of the ITG song's banners are slightly different from their backgrounds. Or at least it seems that way to me.

With < 10 exceptions, this is not the case. They are virtually identical.

alphabet55 · 08-09-2006, 10:48 AM

"virtually identical" isn't "cut and paste", though. Even if the text is moved just slightly, it's different.

#Infinity · 08-09-2006, 01:43 PM

Yes, and Breathe's text got moved to a different location for the banner, so it should be different enough to satisfy, yet Jammitch still took off points for it. That's unacceptable.

discovolante · 08-09-2006, 01:48 PM

Look, it's done and over with, I'll make the difference between my BN and BG more noticable next time.

Not that I had any control over them, a friend of mine made them.

#Infinity · 08-09-2006, 02:36 PM

I know, I just want the rules to change in the future as to require only at least a small change for the banner. Don't worry, I'm done fighting over this issue.

Aeronautical Vigilante · 08-09-2006, 04:23 PM

There's certain cases where I sacrifice literalism to ITG for my perception of quality, and a big one is distinct banners and backgrounds. Kiss Me's video is certainly not like ITG, but I liked it a lot, it was an awesome touch.

**jammitch!** · 08-09-2006, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by #Infinity

Yes, and Breathe's text got moved to a different location for the banner, so it should be different enough to satisfy, yet Jammitch still took off points for it. That's unacceptable.

I give it one more point, for taking five more seconds to do. It's still not exactly puttting any more effort into it. If you take a little time to tweak the layers... feh, I've explained this enough times.

Simfile judging is subjective. It's impractical (and not a good idea regardless) to expect all the judges to enumerate exactly what they'll take points off for and then follow it exactly. So in light of that, some things that aren't in the rules are going to cost you.

I've also got a thought about this literalism to ITG thing that I want to address in the contest postmortem.

alphabet55 · 08-10-2006, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by NekoIncardine

There's certain cases where I sacrifice literalism to ITG for my perception of quality, and a big one is distinct banners and backgrounds. Kiss Me's video is certainly not like ITG, but I liked it a lot, it was an awesome touch.

Thanks for liking my file so much. It makes me feel special.

BLueSS · 08-12-2006, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bolin

A simple request for future judges that i have, is for you guys to actually discuss with each other and come to a consensus about whats generally acceptable in the specific bracket being judged (DDR/ITG/KB)

Can we expect better consistency for the DDR bracket and future contests?

Varying opinions will never go away. I'm sorry, but you cannot find a common ground on what is good and acceptable from any random sample of 5 users here on this board. And, even if you could, the tournament would only be "what these 5 users think is good."

Judging *will* change for the next OSC, however.

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I wasn't talking about that, I was talking about this:

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That's odd, it's correct for me. I guess they fixed it for the public download?

It was submitted as jammitch! has it pictured above. I 'fixed' it because it bugged me, and was somewhat insignifigant, and that's what got into the ZIP.

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Originally Posted by #Infinity

2. As I stated, the rules suck for that.

4. The rules suck (I said it twice because it's breaking the rules that official ITG simfiles have by being forced to make the background quite different from the banner).

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Originally Posted by #Infinity

I know, I just want the rules to change in the future as to require only at least a small change for the banner. Don't worry, I'm done fighting over this issue.

PLEASE, save your rule dislikes and comments/suggestions because when the tournament is over, we will want to hear what can be changed!
There will be a thread made for improvements/suggestions.
We are open to suggestions and comments, but cannot cater to general complaints about the rules.

Bolin · 08-13-2006, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BLueSS

Varying opinions will never go away. I'm sorry, but you cannot find a common ground on what is good and acceptable from any random sample of 5 users here on this board. And, even if you could, the tournament would only be "what these 5 users think is good."

Judging *will* change for the next OSC, however.

Thats why i used the term "generally"
for example, double-stepping ought to be looked upon more leniently in ITG files.
The judges should still be able to say "The double-stepping doesnt flow well here/fit here/work here" or however their personal preferences are, but shouldnt be able to deduct some arbitrarily high number of points for it since ITG is inheriently more difficult and flexible than DDR.
I'll reiterate what else i'd like to see once that improvements thread shows up.

discovolante · 08-13-2006, 04:07 PM

ITG also has a pretty strict "no doublestepping" policy that applies to just about everything but a few hard charts and one or two double medium charts that no one plays.

Oh, and Matt Puls charts. Most of those aren't very good anyway.