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Old 01-12-2007, 03:26 AM   #1
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Default ITT Inc admits an error.

In short: Doctor Pressure, jesterline's entry to OSC ~Beta of New Generation~ was not uploaded normally, because during the hours of the deadline, Bemanistyle was down. I chose to set it to Rapidshare, and the Judges all received it.

Two conflicting circumstances ensued:
1) I never remembered to download it - by the time I grabbed the files, I'd forgotten about it, thus why you don't see it.
2) jesterline's readme didn't include an e-mail, which is a rules requirement that several other entries forgot.

While technically the latter circumstance DQs his entry and, by the rules set since OSC 3 (the crap filter policy as it's often called), means I'm not technically required to distribute it, he deserves distribution on the entry, and so (as happened for other DQ'ed entries which were distributed and encouraged to be scored since they weren't crap), I'm providing it for download here:

http://ddrosc.bemanistyle.com/bong/u...R_PRESSURE.zip

Anyone who wishes to take the time to review this one alongside the others is heartily encouraged to do so, as part of the reason the file was sent was to get constructive criticism and see how it holds up against some of the best simfile makers in the DDR community, and I see no reason to deny it that even if it cannot technically win. (Should time provide, I will be doing so myself.)

I apologize to jesterline for my error, and to everyone paying attention to this for my foibles, large and small, in managing this edition of DDR OSC. I could say "Cut me a little slack, this is my first time doing it without BlueSS", but I'm not. My mistakes are my mistakes and I shouldn't blame them on circumstance.

I'm definately going to look for more co-admins for the next competition, though. Someone needs to be in a position to error-check me, as I believe this demonstrates.

The rules against troublemaking are relaxed for this thread if you wish to give me hell about my management for any reason. The more constructive and understandable the better of course (a post written entirely in Esparanto swear words isn't gonna help me improve much :P ), but I'm pretty sure at least a couple of you probably think I've earned it.

now watch someone actually find esparanto swear words to use.
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Old 01-12-2007, 07:12 AM   #2
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The rules against troublemaking are relaxed for this thread if you wish to give me hell about my management for any reason.
Ok.

I strongly disagree with the disqualification of entries for not including contact details in their readmes. The fact that an entry can have a long, interesting and well-written readme that lacks an author email address and be disqualified, while another entry could have a four or five line readme that only states the bare minimum details and make it through, just seems unfair to me.

I realise it was stated in the rules as a requirement, but should it not attract a penalty more proportional to the severity of the 'crime'? In this case your crap filter is not filtering crap at all, it is filtering perfectly good entries that happened to lack a contact email. When every other aspect of the file (including the rest of the readme itself, such as with Paranoia Survivor Min's) has obviously had a good deal of effort put into it, disqualifying the entire entry on an insignificant technicality like this just seems disrespectful to that effort. People who take the time to create quality entries for this competition should be rewarded, not shown the door.

I really do not wish to troublemake anyway, I am merely hoping that you will reconsider in the case of these entries. Is it really worse to completely disqualify quality entries that happened to leave out their contact details from the readme than it is to turn a blind eye for once and leave them in?
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Old 01-12-2007, 09:46 AM   #3
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Contact Me: PM me at Bemanistyle.com
Now this is legal yes? Then if everybody who enters is from Bemanistyle can't we just take it that if you wanted to contact us (like MANY people are gonna do) they can just go onto Bemanistyle and do it. It's fairly obvious, and I've been reading through the ReadMe files and hardly any of them actually do have an email address. And those are usually the favourites to win, so I think DQing an entry because it doesn't have an email is a bit stupid.

An I'm not just saying this because I forgot to, although it may sound that way.
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Old 01-12-2007, 10:07 AM   #4
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I think if it is the case that all entries with no email in their readme are going to be DQ'd, there should at least be an official announcement with all affected files, cos as far as I can see no such announcement has been made.

Personally, so long as the username is in the email so they can be contacted by PM on this site, I don't see that having an email in the readme is a massive deal. Just a personal opinion (that many other people seem to share...)
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Old 01-12-2007, 09:58 PM   #5
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now watch someone actually find esparanto swear words to use.
I'll refrain from using them myself, but I couldn't help but look for them:
The Alternative Esperanto Dictionary

On a more serious note, I have downloaded Doctor Pressure and will do a review of it along with the rest of my reviews. As for the errors that have occured so far, I'm not overly concerned about them myself. After all, you're clearly putting effort into correcting them, and finding and correcting errors is what Beta's are for, right? I'm also pleased to see that people as a whole are responding to these problems in a mature and constructive manner, instead of responding with various types of drama.
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Old 01-13-2007, 02:41 AM   #6
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I'm respectful about that. However, after a full check, the following entries lack contact info or are otherwise considered for DQ:

* Blow Me Away
* Celebrate Nite has a BPM issue, but not severe enough to DQ over, and filled the readme properly. (Still, unless he just used Audacity or something, kind of a strange song to have a BPM issue over...)
* Doctor Pressure
* Harder Better Faster Stronger (didn't even provide a correct Bemanistyle PM name...)
* Technically I specified TXT for the Readme, but I'm letting Kiss Kiss slide because it did provide the needed info even if it was painful.
* Know Your Xenemy is pushing it, however I didn't specify e-mail like I thought I had, and the name works (I've 'tested' it a bunch shall I say :P) - next time, I'm making sure to specify e-mail.
* Namida Girl's pushing it - AIM is a preferableISH method if he's ever online, and MurdochsSpaces will never be an acceptable contact form to me. Ever.
* Paranoia Disconnnected MAX
* Paranoia Survivior MIN

To be frank, I'm not happy about this. The crap filter and evaluation check didn't run well enough, obviously.

I still do not know what to do about this. I may go ahead and amnesty the DQ'ed entries in this time, give a few days more for reviewers and judges, and spend more time mulling over the results than usual. However, in the next competition, e-mail addresses will be required, and for the love of piss don't give me a goddamn MurdochsSpace.
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Old 01-13-2007, 07:21 AM   #7
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Wow. That's a lot of DQ's... With that many DQ's, I don't know if there will really be a clear winner in this tournament.
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Old 01-13-2007, 09:49 AM   #8
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Maybe someone ought to point out that the B does stand for beta. With the threat of DQ now, entrants in the future ought to be able to remember to put e-mail in their readmes. It's an easy enough mistake to remedy, after all.
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Old 01-13-2007, 11:04 AM   #9
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Whatever happens, just please don't DQ my entry which I worked so hard to create and correspond to the rules. You stated that you should've listed e-mail contact in the rules, so I don't see why I should lose everything.
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Old 01-13-2007, 01:05 PM   #10
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On top of everything, can I just say that I am thoroughly de-motivated to actually finish my judging at the moment as well, as although the judges are encouraged to review the files in the frame for DQ, what does it matter if we don't actually grade them fully?

I would rather all entries were eligible to win, and thus all reviews and scoresets that judges are taking so long to put together are put to the use for which they were originally intended. If it was a serious problem with the files (e.g. all were off-sync) it would be a different story, but at the end of the day we all know who the authors of these files are and where to contact them (correct if I'm wrong with this) so I don't see any reason to drag this out any longer...
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A resolution's been posted as a new thread. Straight, simple.

No DQ's, just under five more days to review/judge everything (including Doctor PRessure). The errors were to a significant extent my fault, and I do not wish to have everyone else suffer as a result. There will also be a longer time between uploads closing and files being released next time to ensure more thorough checking for errors like this.
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