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will-i-am · 08-02-2006, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Juub005

wait WHAT Why did Eggman have to judge his own file? Edit: This is no offense to Eggman (Edit 2: Especially considering what he put off in order to get to judging) but I'm not sure why this happened.

I had the same question, but I totally understand how and why Eggman judged his own file. His review almost has the same number of points for 1 thing, compared to Neko's review, and for another, there were only 2 judges. I guess this could go either way after all. It dosen't really matter that Eggman judged his own file.

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Originally Posted by Eggman

I think the problem is that the people who did public reviews don't even play keyboard so they have absolutely no clue as to what makes a keyboard file good.

Honestly, I don't know a single one of the public reviewers for anything aside from making pad files, if I know them at all.

Well, I didn't think my reviews were that bad or unexperienced.

Anyways, the public probably has made keyboard files, but they just didn't become popular or didn't get into a huge keyboard pack. I've done a few myself, which some really need improvement on, but of course not many people know me. Thus, none of mine are in packs (but I'm not saying they should be because none of mine are really that great). So, here's one reason for why you don't know any of the people who made public reviews. Another thing is that almost everyone that made a puplic review have played many keyboard files before. After all, it would make no sense whatsoever to judge a file that you haven't had experience with others from the same sort of style. Yes, there are some that might have not played a keyboard song before, but at least they probably have some kind of backround on what to look for judging from others sims they've played.

*Eggman* · 08-02-2006, 03:02 PM

Hey, I did a damn fine job of judging my own entry if I do say so myself.

I made sure that I never totalled any entry's total scores for any section until they were all done completely so there was no way for me to have cheated and said, "Well, let's change my scores and comments so I'm at least higher than this guy." Also, I didn't even give myself the 7 other tilt points for "extra comments" simply because it was my own file (I did give myself the 3 points for "Would you play it again?" because yes, I would play it again.).

I don't see why this is such a big problem now anyway. I said before the competition that I was both Judge and entry. There was a list of judges and a list of entries that both had my name on them. People really could've complained about this sooner if it were such a big deal.

Juub005 · 08-02-2006, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Eggman

I don't see why this is such a big problem now anyway. I said before the competition that I was both Judge and entry. There was a list of judges and a list of entries that both had my name on them. People really could've complained about this sooner if it were such a big deal.

The fact that you both entered and were going to be a judge doesn't automatically entail that you can judge your own entry, unless for some reason this is different for keyboard files. In any case, it wasn't a complaint (because it didn't matter); it was a question, because this hadn't happened before.

Let's not worry about it

BLueSS · 08-03-2006, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Eggman

I don't see why this is such a big problem now anyway. I said before the competition that I was both Judge and entry. There was a list of judges and a list of entries that both had my name on them. People really could've complained about this sooner if it were such a big deal.

Eggman, I don't think anyone's seeing it as a problem. Neko and I were surprised to see your own judging, because the judges never judge their own files, we usually always work something out.

We weren't upset, mad, or thinking it was a problem at all, and when your review wasn't unfair, or unusually high, or anything that would create an unfair advantage for you; we decided to keep it in (in addition to the two judges issue).

This is just the first time it's happened and the first time we've let it go through, which is perfectly fine under these circumstances (and come on, it's just the keyboard round...) so there's no problems here at all.

It's just unusual, the first time, and everyone's (rightfully) wondering what's going on.

And no, judging will not be judging their own the next two brackets.

Arti · 08-03-2006, 03:14 PM

My 2 cents on keyboard:

It's all about personal preference. First off, there are the many playstyles of playing keyboard in which the chart is adapted to (One-handers and their variants, Two-Handers and their Variants). Second, what level of difficulty can the player handle (eg, Person who can only A Max300 Heavy vs a Person who can AA Pandemonium Expert vs a person who can AAA Vertex^2)

Then they are people who think Keyboard charts are just IIDX charts done with 4 notes and try to emulate that. For me having a chart that plays like IIDX is a turn-off for me.

The difference between Keyboard compared to DDR or ITG is that there is a specicic reference to how steps are made. Keyboard has no boundaries to it and it can be stepped wildly. Hence, judging can be vague as there can be many variations that can prefer one person against another person. (hence, the judges for this)

In the end, if there is going to be another KB division, it's gonna be all over the place due to the many variations of KB and how the players prefer KB files to be.

Vospi · 08-03-2006, 04:24 PM

[quote]Person who can only A Max300 Heavy vs a Person who can AA Pandemonium Expert vs a person who can AAA Vertex^2[quote]

Noone of them is a serious keyboard player.

Xythar · 08-03-2006, 09:32 PM

I can only AA Max300 heavy

Hence why I didn't public review. I think however we'd be rather short on the public reviews if only serious keyboard players did them - it was hard enough just finding judges and look what happened there :/

darkernights · 08-03-2006, 11:18 PM

I would've PR'd if i knew what to look for.. i play tons of keyboard songs.. up to 14's .. but eh, i dont think i know exactly what makes a good kb file.

Arti · 08-03-2006, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Vospi

Noone of them is a serious keyboard player.

That's the problem. There aren't as many serious KB players out there compared to ITG and DDR. You can either a) target your steps to the serious KB players by adding more stream or b) tone down the stream to add more appeal to the other players who can KB ITG steps but make the serious KB players whine about the steps being easy/not following every single rhythm/etc etc.

It feels like for me, to grab the perfect audience, is to step a bit harder than ITG, but with more voltage. But at a cost, got a giant difference between two styles. In this case, we have a judge that pefers how fun the steps are, a judge that wants to see steps done IIDX Style, and the public audience that wants to see steps like if they would step it.

Due to this drama, If there is ever another OSC Keyboard division, it'll probably be my last one.

darkernights · 08-03-2006, 11:39 PM

hrm.. i think i should judge keyboard next time. thatd be nice.

BLueSS · 08-03-2006, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Arti

Due to this drama, If there is ever another OSC Keyboard division, it'll probably be my last one.

lol, this isn't drama.

Arti · 08-04-2006, 01:46 AM

Just saying, sounds like it :P

Juub005 · 08-04-2006, 02:39 AM

Doesn't sound like it to me.

Or you could skip drama and go right ahead to tragedy in that there were only two judges who submitted scores :P

bemanibkid · 08-04-2006, 05:25 AM

Well, I didn't come in last =P. That's all I was really going for, since this was my first contest and all...Since I was kind of rushed to throw this file together, I'm already starting on about 3-4 more files for the next time around =D. Better files, too...Seriously..

Vospi · 08-04-2006, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Arti

You can either a) target your steps to the serious KB players by adding more stream or b) tone down the stream to add more appeal to the other players who can KB ITG steps but make the serious KB players whine about the steps being easy/not following every single rhythm/etc etc.

Here's the mistake. You can't afford yourself just to "add more stream" if stream pattern don't fit the song.

"KB file" never equals "shitload of fast 16th"... Some people who are participating in OSC just lacks experience -- it's not about play skills, I'm just speaking about understanding a real concept of nowadays' KB SM files and all the stuff related.