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cpubasic13 · 07-01-2006, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Krazy

If our files have any of the "not required" charts, what happens with those charts? Are they judged or not? For example, say my DDR entry has beginner steps and edit steps (which are actually keyboard steps), but no challenge steps. What would happen with the judging?

It would be looked upon better, I guess, since you added in difficulties that weren't required. Even though you skipped one, it doesn't/shouldn't matter.

I don't have any of the optional difficulties, but since yours will, yours will be judged higher than mine unless yours is of poor quality (which if you are entering a contest, it better not).

BLueSS · 07-01-2006, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by cpubasic13

My sim goes 198.1 BPM, but, there is a slowdown that goes to 73 BPM. Is it breaking the rules if I set the BPM display to be only 198 since that slowdown is for barely a second during a freeze arrow? I don't see why not, since 99.8% of the song is 198...

BTW, is the uploader getting up and running or what? I haven't seen anything on it yet...

That's fine to put it as 198 in cases like that.

The uploader will be up tonight.

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Originally Posted by Krazy

If our files have any of the "not required" charts, what happens with those charts? Are they judged or not? For example, say my DDR entry has beginner steps and edit steps (which are actually keyboard steps), but no challenge steps. What would happen with the judging?

They may be played and factored into the "tilt" score, otherwise nothing. They are not officially judged.

Krazy · 07-01-2006, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by cpubasic13

It would be looked upon better, I guess, since you added in difficulties that weren't required. Even though you skipped one, it doesn't/shouldn't matter.

Well the reason I didn't make challenge steps is because I decided that that would take the emphasis off of the heavy chart which is pretty much perfect. In other words, any challenge chart I could possibly come up with would be nowhere near as good as the heavy chart, so I'm not making one. And I made the keyboard steps on edit instead of challenge because the rules said that edit could be used for keyboard steps.

Jubo · 07-01-2006, 11:52 PM

I have questions...

Are you allowed to upload sims that you already uploaded in the Bms Database?

Are you allowed to upload anything reguardless of licenses or copyrights?

BLueSS · 07-02-2006, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Jubo

Are you allowed to upload sims that you already uploaded in the Bms Database?

No, anything previously released is a no.

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Are you allowed to upload anything reguardless of licenses or copyrights?

OSC staff does not encourage the breaking of copyright law. We do not have a rule that states you can or can't.

Aeronautical Vigilante · 07-02-2006, 05:49 AM

Leave it to BlueSS to catch our POV on that dead-on... Frankly, if you cannot get over the fact that 99ish percent of simfiles aren't exactly in the legal clear, you shouldn't be on Bemanistyle, let alone DDR OSC. I have stated my views on this elsewhere a time or two, I am not going to post them here so that people aren't influenced by them in any fashion.

Aeronautical Vigilante · 07-02-2006, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by cpubasic13

My sim goes 198.1 BPM, but, there is a slowdown that goes to 73 BPM. Is it breaking the rules if I set the BPM display to be only 198 since that slowdown is for barely a second during a freeze arrow? I don't see why not, since 99.8% of the song is 198...

BTW, is the uploader getting up and running or what? I haven't seen anything on it yet...

I'm going to say that if In The Groove 2 would list it at 198 (which for only a couple tiny slowdowns it would - Delirium has a short doubling but it listed at only one speed), you can go ahead and mark it as single speed. But doing ???speed or a false speed would get you docked.

Aurae · 07-02-2006, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by NekoIncardine

I'm going to say that if In The Groove 2 would list it at 198 (which for only a couple tiny slowdowns it would - Delirium has a short doubling but it listed at only one speed), you can go ahead and mark it as single speed. But doing ???speed or a false speed would get you docked.

Does this also count if you do some, you know, bpm tricks, e.g. a higher BPM in combination with short stops? I'm just asking because this is the case in my keyboard entry. These BPM changes are just short, and a BPM of 200 looks nicer than a BPM of 50~800.

BLueSS · 07-02-2006, 03:01 PM

I don't see any problem with that.

The thing we don't want to see is false BPMs or ??? like Neko indicated.

**jammitch!** · 07-02-2006, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by cpubasic13

My sim goes 198.1 BPM, but, there is a slowdown that goes to 73 BPM. Is it breaking the rules if I set the BPM display to be only 198 since that slowdown is for barely a second during a freeze arrow? I don't see why not, since 99.8% of the song is 198...

Speaking as a judge...

I'm going to look at the BPM and use that to pick a speed mod. If it's not an accurate representation of the song as a whole, I will be mad at your file and mad at you.

Examples:
Song that goes 90 the whole way but goes up to 360 for one freeze arrow should read 90, not 90...360 because I will mod it for 360.
Song that goes 360 the whole way but drops to 90 for one freeze arrow should read 360. This is less annoying 'cause I'd mod for 360 anyway.
Song that goes 180 BPM but has one section with jitter stops (360 BPM with pauses to make it effectively 180 BPM) should read 180.
Song that goes 180 BPM, drops to 90 BPM for eight measures then goes back to 180 should read 90...180.
Song that goes 180 BPM, drops to 90 BPM, then finishes up with jitter stops at 360 BPM should read 90...180.

Basically, the BPM should characterize the minimum and maximum sustained BPMs of your song, to give the player an idea what it's going to do. If the BPM counter isn't indicative of the scroll rate I'm going to pan your file, whether you did it deliberately or didn't bother to change it from SM's settings.

There are also valid uses of ??? but those probably will get torn apart in an OSC. One of the files I spent the last few months polishing up is described very well by ???.

Krazy · 07-02-2006, 05:56 PM

What if a file say was a constant BPM for the majority of the song but then for one section it sped up to about 8 times the speed over a 20 second period? (Gradual speedup, not some stupid pointless BPM increase, the song actually goes to something around 2400 BPM. The majority of it would probably just be a freeze arrow anyway since at that speed it sounds almost like a constant note and the only way to find the actual BPM at that point is to slow down the song to like 10% it's actual speed). What would you do then? In my opinion that might just be an appropriate time to use ??? so the BPM counter doesn't say something ridiculous like 150-2400, and the speedup still encompasses a significant part of the song so just saying 150 may be inappropriate as well.

This question may seem sort of absurd but it is relevant to one of my songs. You could probably easily guess which one if you've heard them before.

**jammitch!** · 07-02-2006, 08:03 PM

(speaking for myself) 150-2400

Although if it goes 2400 I'm still not going to like you much.

Dark Luke · 07-02-2006, 08:04 PM

A clear example of false BPM would be a song "Thunderbirds Are Go!" from ddrextreme.co.uk's TV/movie theme mix, which is marked as 136 BPM from the song wheel, but if you go to the step editor the speed is 200 BPM instead (with couple of 100 BPM sections that last a few bars).

Bolin · 07-02-2006, 09:21 PM

uh oh, my song reads 55-150
but the sustained parts are 75 and 150
the 55 is there because the music ends with a gradual slowdown from 75 to 55
I didnt think anything of it before submitting, but its too late now.
My apologies to the judges, i hope its not that big a deal =o

banzaigtv² · 07-02-2006, 10:14 PM

There is a rule that says that you can only enter your name in the Credit section of a .sm file, but in an ITG simfile, is entering your name in the difficulty description OK? (Entering your name in the difficulty description of each stepchart makes your name show up in a .sm file by each difficulty, as in the example below.)

#TITLE:Clear Blue Water;
#SUBTITLE:;
#ARTIST:Oceanlab;
#TITLETRANSLIT:;
#SUBTITLETRANSLIT:;
#ARTISTTRANSLIT:;
#CREDIT:;
#BANNER:Clear Blue Water-banner.PNG;
#BACKGROUND:Clear Blue Water-bg.PNG;
#LYRICSPATH:;
#CDTITLE:banzaigtv-cdtitle.PNG;
#MUSIC:Clear Blue Water.mp3;
#OFFSET:-0.027;
#SAMPLESTART:54.850;
#SAMPLELENGTH:15.000;
#SELECTABLE:YES;
#BPMS:0.000=140.000;
#STOPS:;
#BGCHANGES:;

//---------------dance-single - J. DeGarmo----------------
#NOTES:
dance-single:
J. DeGarmo:
Challenge:
12:
0.977,0.961,0.163,1.000,0.724: