Thank you for turning OSC into a reincarnation of Tournamix

[BLueSS]

Alright, I guess this sort of just comes with the territory of being the one chance stepfile makers get to brag a year, but guess what - you guys are killing OSC.

Almost every post this year has been a complain about a rule, complain about unfair Public Review for their song, complaint that people should all rate their songs exactly as Konami would and make steps like exactly what should be in ITG/DDR, complain about whether Konami would do xyz in a stepfile, WHATEVER.

You guys are making me sick, because this is starting to look like Tournamix, and since you guys are dragging this competition down the road TM went (read: extinction by staff who no longer care to put up with whining people) we only have two choices:
1) Revamp OSC into something different after this tournament.
2) Have people shutup and remember that hey - this is for fun guys. You should have a real life with other important things to do such as family, friends, significant others, school, jobs, exercise in the fresh air... the fact that people are getting worked up about what opinions on 4 arrows positioned to a song needs to decrease.

I realise that many of you take this serious - I take this tournament VERY serious.

OSC was created to prevent the drama and crap that Tournamix had back in the day, but now it's nothing different.

So we can either choose to relax on opinions on judging/PR and just have fun (it's not like you're winning anything here folks) or we can change OSC.

What would you like?

Note: This post is not directed to any specific person or event, and is mainly my reaction to all the crap that happened this past week while I was away. I have had to deal with 10x the amount of drama this time around.

[Xythar]

I'd like it to stay the same since I don't really care about the fighting - which is pretty mild by my standards, but I realise you guys are the ones organising it here and so it should in the end be up to you.

But then, I always liked Tournamix too, so I've never really been quite on the level of people saying 'this is like Tournamix' or 'this is turning into Tournamix' as a bad thing. :/

[k⁄⁄eternal]

The whole TM atmosphere was why I left the competitive simfiling scene for good after TM6. Good god people. It's all done in the name of fun, and if it isn't, it damn well should be.

Simfilers often feel like they're betting their e-penis on these tournaments and guess what? The rating you get from the judges and public is just that--how much the judges and public like your file. There can be many reasons someone doesn't like your file. Maybe it really is good. Stuff goes under the radar easily.

The seriousness with which people approach such a competition denies the whole purpose of DDR simfiling, which is, to say the least, unfortunate. I've started to see it as unavoidable, as something inherently wrong with simfile tournaments, but guys, I'd love to be proven wrong.

And yes, this is from a guy who's former TM staff.

[PlatinumHawke]

From my convo with Zounder on this issue...

PlatinumHawke (1:24:28 AM): yea
PlatinumHawke (1:24:39 AM): I mean, why does simfiling have to be me against you
PlatinumHawke (1:24:44 AM): it should be together
PlatinumHawke (1:34:35 AM): and the main point is... there's no judging, no winners or anything like that
PlatinumHawke (1:35:03 AM): a long time ago Sivus did want to have a "fun-a-mix"
PlatinumHawke (1:35:30 AM): where everyone forgot about placing for a while
SF Zounder (1:37:10 AM): yeah
PlatinumHawke (1:37:30 AM): that's what Id' realy like to see happen

You know, I'd really rather this fully revert back to Tournamix, or atleast how Sivus invisioned it. No, I don't mean the absolute debacle that TM6 was, I mean how TM1 or TM2 were (even though I wasn't around for either). I remember somewhere in between 5 and 6, Sivus was wanting to see the annual Tournamix move away from a competition, and more to a get together of simfilers from all over, regardless of skill level and actually have a good time. Not to have these constant fights over things that don't matter (I'll admit I've been getting sucked into them on occasion, despite my trying to keep out of them).

In all honesty, I would have liked to continue judging and go out on a better note. But this isn't worth it, it really isn't. Everyone's opinion is wrong, that's half the attitude I get, and the other party is "I know/am better than you" that's been soaking around since TM4+. This is a thankless job half the time at best. During last years meltdowns on DDREI, I don't recall one person saying on the boards even thanking any of us for the time it took to organize, run or keep everything from falling apart. All it was, endless complaints about this, that and the other thing.

It's real easy to bitch, but to be grateful. Even if the latter is just two words long.

Well, I can't completely use the same brush to paint the OSC with. Atleast someone has appriciated us for the hard work, even if they didn't agree with us 100%.

[Zounder]

I agree with PH here, I'm all for returning to the fun aspect of simfiles.

It seems like any opinion that anyone has ends up being flamed or misinterpreted. I'm all for intelligent discussion, which has happened in small portions throughout this OSC, but we all need to repmember we aren't here to fight to the death, we're here to enjoy ourselves. And make DDR puns like Strictly Business in the other thread.

[jesterline]

I don't think it's too big of a deal, but I didn't really pay too much attention to other competitions because I wasn't in them. I think you should just inforce strict rules, and tell people to keep it to PMs. I've seen a lot worse on other forums about other things. But I haven't been in the Bemani community before, really.

Also, I apologize because I feel like I had a part in this during the whole discovolante thing in Bracket 1. I'm sorry. I hope I haven't had anything to do with any other drama, because I definitely did not mean too...

Just keep going, because people might not say this a lot, but I really do think people appreciate this tournament and the judges. I'm really enjoying this, and I'm enjoying my feedback. Thanks to everybody involved for everything.

I really think you should just be more harsh from now on.

[lrxevan]

Well I know I certainly had no part in this madness!!!!!!!

[CronoSquare]

Actually, I have been rather enjoying OSC, though, on another note, that's probably because I forgot to enter a file and haven't really paid attention to anything else since I've been mostly focused on maintaining the SM thread/recording stuff here in Medicine Hat in a frantic last-minute bid to get caught up....I'm moving in like...T-minus 3 days? Needless to say, I'm freaking out about much more pertinent-to-me-being-done-on-time issues. XD

On a side note, I always did like OSC because it was like the less noticed, and less tournamix, and it was a nice break. I think we all need to realize that even though people take this competition seriously, when it all comes down to it, this is still just us making and judging the quality of some theoretical songs for a music game...

My suggestions:

1) If you have a comment to make about someone's file, no matter how bad you think it is, find a way to say it in a way that can help them improve. With effort, anybody can improve their stepfile-making abilities.

2) If you're angry with someone, talk about the issue you're angry about instead of resorting to slinging personal insults, that achieves nothing at all.

3) If you enter, be prepared to be criticized. If you can't take criticism, either don't read the reviews of your files, or just don't enter to start with.

4) Have fun, for Pete's sake, this can, and SHOULD be fun. (Look how much fun we have filming these things guys, lighten up!)

[jammitch!]

I know I stirred up controversy with something that I thought would be less big of a deal than it was. I know I've complained about the handling of it by a few people, but that's why you have the rest of the people to balance it out, or to form a consensus as to why I was wrong. While I have specific things I'd like to see twiddled I think the overall format is pretty good.

As a note:
vV was supposed to be this "fun" non-competition that seems to be all the rage here. We can all see how that worked out. :p If you want to do that, at least structure it so that people missing their obligations don't slow you down.

[Uiru]

I've always felt that the scope of the thing is too big. People have barely a week to play and review 20+ files and assign points to them (that they'd better be able to back up, it seems). This leads to quick playthroughs of most songs on whatever the hardest difficulty is, once, and mistakes get made. These mistakes cost the author points, though.

Taking out some of the time restrictions can only help. Instead of doing it over four weeks with four different brackets, why not release everything at once and let it go for a month? You could still organize it into brackets, but it'd just be a few clicks to say what bracket your file is meant for in the readme. This would also give the judges far more time to get it all done; we don't want rushed judging, either. And corrections (ie. this is not a doublestep, etc) would have plenty of time to be fixed in the PR's. You can then have your bonus round week or whatever, chosen from the top of each bracket, or just the top # overall.

Having a 'how can this be improved' section in the reviews would be wonderful. Also, making art worth less overall would be fantastic.
~Uiru

[Xythar]

Originally Posted by Uiru

Instead of doing it over four weeks with four different brackets, why not release everything at once and let it go for a month?

And have everyone put off their reviewing and then try to do the whole thing in the last few days? I think this way works better, there's a reason it uses the bracket structure and it's to make it less overwhelming for people, so that they can do bits of it at a time, and to maintain people's interest in the competition for the whole period.

[alphabet55]

Originally Posted by jesterline

Just keep going, because people might not say this a lot, but I really do think people appreciate this tournament and the judges. I'm really enjoying this, and I'm enjoying my feedback. Thanks to everybody involved for everything.

That's how I feel, too.

[Aeronautical Vigilante]

Random idea as an 'instead' to the monthly/bimonthly themed minis:

For a while I've been thinking of doing a 'best of DDR OSC remade' set - were we take a bunch of favorites from all seven DDROSCs (1-5 plus 3+ and Psychopath's Edition), and remake each one by one, randomly assigning charts to volunteers. The goal would be four charts (LSHC) for every file, plus a smattering of them getting Keyboard edits, in addition to (ideally) keeping all the original charts available (Perhaps offer a 'box set' download of the originals and remakes, then a separate one of just remakes?).

Of course, the person I was chatting with about this was Trick Master Mint, and that was a long while back. Just another idea I'm bringing up that might be fun for the community say spring next year.

[Zounder]

That sounds like a neat idea. Remaking every single file might be rough, but a pack of remade OSC stuff like Re-TM would be cool.

[Xythar]

You know, every time I see this topic's title truncated on the board index I imagine it reading "Thank you for turning OSC into a HOUSE OF LIES"