What do you want to see in OSC 6? - Page 3

#Infinity · 10-09-2006, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Luke

And I don't consider Dancing in my dreams's 4th bracket rank to be valid, for this reason. It's like 7th place in the public reviews with many people disliking the steps.

And Samba Brazil started in 5th place - better than even Together.

The good news is that for Bracket 2, the top 4-6 simfiles based on Public Reviews were the ones that got to move on to the finals after the simfile designer passed the Challenge Round, and they ranked accordingly in the final round (although the only reason Together made it and not Dancin' In My Dreams or This Is Love was because BlueSS gave Love Is Eternity Solo a perfect score).

But then again, all of that is just pure luck, and I highly suggest more people judge in OSC 6 than in OSC 5. I hope I'm selected to be a judge! I'm certain my reviews will be more logical than they were during the PR's, now that I have a better understanding of what makes a good simfile.

jesterline · 10-09-2006, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Luke

To lessen the amount of excessive work for the judges, consider making the future stepfile contests to have only 1 judged stepchart (and each entries requires only 1 difficulty instead of 3). Then, make sure at least 5 judges turn in their judging scores, and throw away the lowest and highest judged score for score calculation for each stepfile.

Only one judged stepchart? Standard and light are just as important as heavy. I don't agree with that at all.

**jammitch!** · 10-09-2006, 08:55 PM

#Infinity: I don't see what my suggestion has to do with TM, a tournament so far behind it still aimed at DWI even last year.

Dropping judges is an awful idea, unless you propose the public pick up the slack by rating every file as vigorously as the judges are supposed to, with feedback for every chart and every side aspect as well. Dropping bad judges I'm fine with (I like to think I'm at least verbose enough to be a useful judge).

I agree that dropping Light and Standard is a bad idea.

Mines are not useless when used right. Rolls, on the other hand...

discovolante · 10-09-2006, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TakeWalker

I've been playing for about five years now. I've never been very good (I never did pass PSM), but when I can't pass a file with my fingers (which is the only way I can play Stepmania), then something is wrong. There's also a difference between "this is really hard, but it's a good challenge and I want to beat it," and "OMG this is fucking insane there's no way I can pass it". And like I said, when certain people's hardware doesn't support hands, what's the use in putting them in a file? I'm sure if I played ITG more often, I'd get used to hands and mines. But I nevertheless think they're mostly pointless (mines especially), and since my machine can't handle them, I don't want to deal with them.

1. What software are you talking about here? Stepmania? If so, I'll let you know that my keyboard has the same problem, and I'm sure it's possible for a pad to have similar issues. My keyboard doesn't register a lot of hands at all, but it's SM and the J4 window is huge. Cheating them's not a big deal. For things like Queen of Light it gets tough, but for something with only a few hands like Monolith or ! it's nothing. I suggest trying it out. If there is actual software that seriously doesn't allow hands, what are you talking about?
2. You're one person, and if I'm not mistaken your skill level is seperate from that of the norm. (correct me if I'm wrong here) Furthermore, just because you can't pass it doesn't mean you can't appreciate it. Can I pass Determinator? Hell no, but it's still one of my favourite charts in the game. I don't know what else to say. If that's how you feel about mines and hands, fine. I'm sure plenty who only participated in the DDR divisions feel the same way, and that's why we've got to keep things segregated. (though this does work both ways)

alphabet55: 24 was really good, but now that I think about it, I doubt anyone will be playing the charts from the challenge round. Or solo, for that matter.

So I see what you mean.

jammitch!: Even rolls can be used well! For everyone in this competition who's never seen them used before: DON'T JUDGE THEM BASED ON SPEEDY CAT EXPERT!!!

Light/Standard should always be incorporated. You're entering entire files here, not just charts.

I personally would love to give reviews as in-depth as the judges did in this tournament, but I doubt many others would. For most people I guess it takes too much time. :/

Azure Haights · 10-09-2006, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by discovolante

jammitch!: Even rolls can be used well! For everyone in this competition who's never seen them used before: DON'T JUDGE THEM BASED ON SPEEDY CAT EXPERT!!!

okay guys what am I the ONLY PERSON IN EXISTENCE who liked Speedy Cat

I mean okay I only played it on keyboard but STILL

**jammitch!** · 10-09-2006, 10:00 PM

For the record, I'm not judging rolls based on Speedy Cat. I'm judging rolls on the fact that they're a lazy step designer's way out of having to think of something to do, and there's really nothing you can do with them that sixteenth notes (or twelfths or eighths in the right songs) wouldn't do a thousand times better.

Just my opinion though. :p

Patashu · 10-09-2006, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jammitch!

For the record, I'm not judging rolls based on Speedy Cat. I'm judging rolls on the fact that they're a lazy step designer's way out of having to think of something to do, and there's really nothing you can do with them that sixteenth notes (or twelfths or eighths in the right songs) wouldn't do a thousand times better.

Just my opinion though. :p

What about places where there's a superfast stuttering/buzzing where the note interval is ambiguous, too fast and/or too hard to pick out by the ear?

There's a place in my ITG entry where no amount of normal arrows would look right, imho. I guess you'll just have to see what I mean when the next OSC comes around.

#Infinity · 10-10-2006, 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by jammitch!

#Infinity: I don't see what my suggestion has to do with TM, a tournament so far behind it still aimed at DWI even last year.

It's because while most of it was comprised of DDR simfiles, there were some ITG-style compositions as well, such as Want To Do Tonight and Earthbound.

Xythar · 10-10-2006, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by discovolante

2. You're one person, and if I'm not mistaken your skill level is seperate from that of the norm. (correct me if I'm wrong here) Furthermore, just because you can't pass it doesn't mean you can't appreciate it. Can I pass Determinator? Hell no, but it's still one of my favourite charts in the game. I don't know what else to say. If that's how you feel about mines and hands, fine. I'm sure plenty who only participated in the DDR divisions feel the same way, and that's why we've got to keep things segregated. (though this does work both ways)

Yeah, I aim to not enter whether I personally can pass something or not into my evaluation of it. My favourite entry in the ITG division was Emerald Sword and I could barely pass that on keyboard. I've even made stuff I can't even pass on keyboard simply because I know some people like having songs that hard.

Changing the subject slightly, one thing that I *would* change about OSC is the current scoring system. It's not fair that someone who took the time to write a challenge chart can end up worse off than if they didn't include one at all. They're optional charts, so they should be bonus points. I actually thought Samba Brazil challenge was pretty good, but even if it sucked I don't see why it should have actually caused #Infinity to *lose* points over not including it in the first place. The worst that should come of including a challenge chart (or anything optional) should be to receive no additional points for it.

Patashu · 10-10-2006, 08:12 AM

How about: Out of the heavy and the challenge stepcharts, whichever one is rated higher by the judge is counted. That way you could, in fact, have both charts stepped with radically different methods (not neccesarily having one harder then the other, ala some of DDR's onis) so that you aren't too much in danger because a judge finds a certain thing you did in the chart quirky.

It might be interesting, it might not.

TakeWalker · 10-10-2006, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by discovolante

1. What software are you talking about here? Stepmania? If so, I'll let you know that my keyboard has the same problem, and I'm sure it's possible for a pad to have similar issues. My keyboard doesn't register a lot of hands at all, but it's SM and the J4 window is huge. Cheating them's not a big deal. For things like Queen of Light it gets tough, but for something with only a few hands like Monolith or ! it's nothing. I suggest trying it out. If there is actual software that seriously doesn't allow hands, what are you talking about?

Okay, it's the keyboard, whatever. I figured it was a driver issue, sheesh.

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Originally Posted by discovolante

2. You're one person, and if I'm not mistaken your skill level is seperate from that of the norm. (correct me if I'm wrong here) Furthermore, just because you can't pass it doesn't mean you can't appreciate it. Can I pass Determinator? Hell no, but it's still one of my favourite charts in the game. I don't know what else to say. If that's how you feel about mines and hands, fine. I'm sure plenty who only participated in the DDR divisions feel the same way, and that's why we've got to keep things segregated. (though this does work both ways)

You missed my clarification. If I can't pass a chart because the steps are unreadable, then there's no way I'm going to appreciate it. And consider maybe not everyone has your opinion on the validity of arrow-stomping charts.

alphabet55 · 10-10-2006, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by TakeWalker

Okay, it's the keyboard, whatever.

Are you using the arrow keys? If you are, I don't think any keyboard lets you press more than two at once. That's why I use the D, F, J, and K keys. You should try mapping URDL to different keys as well?

Unless, of course, your keyboard doesn't ever let you press more than two keys at once...

New Folder · 10-10-2006, 01:17 PM

- less drama

oh wait

Juub005 · 10-10-2006, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by discovolante

See, I think that's really stupid. No offense, but I think if we all adopted an attitude that any chart was worth playing, we could do the no-divisions thing (and I'd like that a lot). I mean, it's not like you're playing ITG, you're playing ITG-styled stepcharts, so you might find something you enjoy. I was pretty skeptical of what the DDR bracket would be like, and ended up pleasantly surprised.

I thought the ITG division was pretty underwhelming overall, though.

This is not a question of attitude but a question of what I actually would want to play and judge. It's not like I never gave ITG a fair try.

BLueSS · 10-10-2006, 07:42 PM

HEY GUYS

THE NEXT CONTEST WILL NOT BE OSC.

SOME STUFF MAY CARRY OVER, IF YOU WANT TO SEE A CHANGE HELP NEKO RUN IT OR SOMETHING.

IT WILL NOT BE THE SAME OLD STUFF (I hope) SO COMPLAINING OR SEEING WHAT YOU WANT CHANGED PROBABLY WON'T MATTER UNLESS YOU DO SOMETHING MORE ABOUT IT.

Thank you.