IIDX controller on PC

nawat · 12-24-2006, 09:35 PM

I've been looking around the forums for a while and I haven't seen any way to solve this so I'm posting this thread.

I just bought a IIDX controller which is of course for PS2 and I want to use it on my PC. I bought a PS2 to USB adapter which works fine for a PS2 controller. However, when it comes to IIDX controller, when I press a button, it seems like it has auto-fire on. I have to press a button in a split second to make it register that I press one time, not holding the button.

I've tried joy2key but the result it just the same. If I hold down a button, it would be like I'm continuously pressing the key.

Is this because of the controller? Or the adapter?

The adapter I'm using is from Dilong (some Chinese company I reckon). It's blue and triangular shape.

Thanks in advance.

Ultra Violette · 12-25-2006, 10:56 AM

Is it the BMUS controller? I've heard those might have some kind of lock-out protection when connected to non-PlayStation devices (Even weirder, the JP versions don't have that lock-out system)

Some USB adapters are able to solve that problem though, which ones exactly I'm not sure.

A more advanced fix might be to cover up one of those 9 pins (PS only actively uses 8), but I couldn't guess as to which pin.

ceraf · 12-25-2006, 12:06 PM

i have a bmus controller, but i have a smartJoy Plus adapter. I haven't experienced any controller lockout on this setup yet, thankfully. =)

maybe check the drivers on the usb adapter. china made stuff is usually a little iffy.

is your adapter any of these? http://www.stepmania.com/wiki/USB_Adapters

nawat · 12-26-2006, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ceraf

i have a bmus controller, but i have a smartJoy Plus adapter. I haven't experienced any controller lockout on this setup yet, thankfully. =)

maybe check the drivers on the usb adapter. china made stuff is usually a little iffy.

is your adapter any of these? http://www.stepmania.com/wiki/USB_Adapters

What I bought is "Dilong pu203 adapter". Is there any way to fix this? Or is there any other converter that you suggest?

Sorry for posting here and there. I'm not so sure where I should post. I'll be more careful next time.

*Akira* · 12-26-2006, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultra Violette

A more advanced fix might be to cover up one of those 9 pins (PS only actively uses 8), but I couldn't guess as to which pin.

One pin is used for Dual Shock, the black one. I dunno if that would work.

Ultra Violette · 12-26-2006, 09:04 PM

Interesting... Maybe that one, or possibly that 'not used' pin 8?

A guess would be that the BM US controller does that lock-out thing when it detects power on that unused pin, that is if PS systems don't supply power to that pin.

But anything beyond that is way beyond me

ceraf · 12-26-2006, 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultra Violette

Interesting... Maybe that one, or possibly that 'not used' pin 8?

A guess would be that the BM US controller does that lock-out thing when it detects power on that unused pin, that is if PS systems don't supply power to that pin.

But anything beyond that is way beyond me

that might explain why my bmus controller doesn't work with my parallel adapter. cool sauce.

*Akira* · 12-26-2006, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ultra Violette

Interesting... Maybe that one, or possibly that 'not used' pin 8?

lol that one is obvious

...but for the record, The security function might be there. I haven't tried to dismantle a BMUS controller so I don't really know

nawat · 12-27-2006, 12:09 AM

So what I have to do is to try changing my adapter until I found one that works?

If I somehow just cut out the wire connecting pin 8 so that the adapter won't supply power to it, would that solve the problem?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ceraf

i have a bmus controller, but i have a smartJoy Plus adapter. I haven't experienced any controller lockout on this setup yet, thankfully. =)

Is this what you are talking about?

I'm going to buy one if it works with my controller.

kuniokun · 12-29-2006, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akira

One pin is used for Dual Shock, the black one. I dunno if that would work.

Interesting.
I might have to go and make a home-made parallel adapter now to see whats up.

ceraf · 12-30-2006, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nawat

So what I have to do is to try changing my adapter until I found one that works?

If I somehow just cut out the wire connecting pin 8 so that the adapter won't supply power to it, would that solve the problem?

Is this what you are talking about?

I'm going to buy one if it works with my controller.

yup, that's the one. minus the smart joy sticker on the front.

AWal · 12-30-2006, 03:29 PM

Wow...security function...lolololol. What a joke...

Okay, here's the sitch. I have a US KOC, several Parallel adapters I've made over the years, and an EMS USB2.

I couldn't figure out why in the hell is was so damn laggy with the EMS, well I recently found out.

Apparently Konami's change in hardware from Japan to the US (whatever it was), is not very stable outside of the standard PS2 controller timings. It jitters. Now if you have a parallel adapter and PSXPAD software, you can go into the timing adjustment program, lower the clock timings, and watch that baby bounce between valid readings and all FF (which is what causes the jitter).

Most USB-based adapters (especially EMS) don't care about jitters and will just ignore those readings (since they know hardware jitters...MadKatz NeGcon racing wheels are notorious for this) and just use the next valid read as an update, since the extreme latency in input.

PSXPAD, a piece of software for 2K/XP/Vista(with a little hack) systems is a bit more cooperative, with timing adjustments, however when setting the KOC into a cooperative clock timing, the turntable no longer responds at all. It's really aqward, but there is a way to use them with Parallel adapters.

PPJoy...yep, you hear me right...PPJoy. This software (long since I'd ever used it until now) will properly accept ANY FORMAT PARALLEL ADAPTER and communicate sucessfully with a BM US KOC

Do you think I'm joking? Go give it a shot...There is not security crap, it's just the good old jitters that need to be intercepted acordingly.

Just FYI I am using PPJoy on a Direct Pad Pro-style interface with a BM US KOC passed-through Joy2Key (go fig) in the piece of software nobody should be talking about, 12th revision, without any lag at all.

No joke.

P.S.: I have dismantled my controller (to loosen the uber-tight picket wheel of doom) and there is one single glop top, and a hex inverter (to turn two picket fences into a schmitt trigger).

P.P.S.: I just checked the chan forum archive, and it looks like they used SmartJoy 3 Plus to get theirs goin'...that is, if you wana do it USB...

ceraf · 01-03-2007, 09:10 PM

^ now THAT's something i should have tried a while ago. now i traded my parallel multitap for a usb adapter, but that's alright.

thanks for the info!

*Akira* · 01-04-2007, 02:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kuniokun

Interesting.
I might have to go and make a home-made parallel adapter now to see whats up.

don't forget about it's drivers ^_^

kuniokun · 01-04-2007, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AWal

Wow...security function...lolololol. What a joke...

Okay, here's the sitch. I have a US KOC, several Parallel adapters I've made over the years, and an EMS USB2.

I couldn't figure out why in the hell is was so damn laggy with the EMS, well I recently found out.

Apparently Konami's change in hardware from Japan to the US (whatever it was), is not very stable outside of the standard PS2 controller timings. It jitters. Now if you have a parallel adapter and PSXPAD software, you can go into the timing adjustment program, lower the clock timings, and watch that baby bounce between valid readings and all FF (which is what causes the jitter).

Most USB-based adapters (especially EMS) don't care about jitters and will just ignore those readings (since they know hardware jitters...MadKatz NeGcon racing wheels are notorious for this) and just use the next valid read as an update, since the extreme latency in input.

PSXPAD, a piece of software for 2K/XP/Vista(with a little hack) systems is a bit more cooperative, with timing adjustments, however when setting the KOC into a cooperative clock timing, the turntable no longer responds at all. It's really aqward, but there is a way to use them with Parallel adapters.

PPJoy...yep, you hear me right...PPJoy. This software (long since I'd ever used it until now) will properly accept ANY FORMAT PARALLEL ADAPTER and communicate sucessfully with a BM US KOC

Do you think I'm joking? Go give it a shot...There is not security crap, it's just the good old jitters that need to be intercepted acordingly.

Just FYI I am using PPJoy on a Direct Pad Pro-style interface with a BM US KOC passed-through Joy2Key (go fig) in the piece of software nobody should be talking about, 12th revision, without any lag at all.

No joke.

P.S.: I have dismantled my controller (to loosen the uber-tight picket wheel of doom) and there is one single glop top, and a hex inverter (to turn two picket fences into a schmitt trigger).

P.P.S.: I just checked the chan forum archive, and it looks like they used SmartJoy 3 Plus to get theirs goin'...that is, if you wana do it USB...

USkoc/Jkoc key presses not responding in control panel's direct pad pro interface(test buttons not flashing red when i hit them to test). I try to click out of the window and i notice my windows system sounds are distorted by what i believe are these jitters.

Using this blaze adapter:
http://www.stepmania.com/images/scre...ckadapter1.jpg
and this setup:
http://img359.imageshack.us/img359/3...joyiidxqq8.jpg