Konami says Merry Christmas to Pentavision the best way they know how...
Posted by eddie - Wed 12/24 2008 - 12:40 PM - 4284 Views
In the form of a lawsuit.
Konami Digital Entertainment Korea has slapped Pentavision Ltd. with a copyright infringement suit over their DJMAX Videogame series. As per usual with Konami in their patent suits, they're seeking damages and the cease of manufacturing and distribution of the title. Not too surprising given how on fire Pentavision has been with the franchise as of late. Trilogy and Black Square both release this week, Fever is due out in the US on Jan. 27th, Technika has been doing very well in arcades. Figures Konami would want a piece of the pie.
I personally hope this either settles out of court, or that it doesn't move any further. I totally believe Konami is in the right for protecting it's patents, but with how long they've just looked the other way, you have to wonder if the franchises really can't peacefully co-exist. If we get anymore information regarding the suit, you'll be the first to know.
Wow... with X AC being terrible so far, X CS being terrible, HP2 being Terrible, Uni 3 having a bunch of problems, Empress feeling rushed, and now this? I really don't think this was the best time for Konami to slap them with a lawsuit since many fans aren't exactly happy with them at the moment...
Man what the fuck. I mean I can understand where Konami is coming from but this is still a dick move considering how long DJMax has been around :/
If this screws us out of Trilogy I'm going to kill someone.
Posted by eddie - Wed 12/24 2008 - 01:20 PM [ quote ]
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Man what the fuck. I mean I can understand where Konami is coming from but this is still a dick move considering how long DJMax has been around :/
If this screws us out of Trilogy I'm going to kill someone.
Trilogy is out already, it should start shipping from Play-asia come the 29th. I doubt this lawsuit will hurt that. And so far from the looks of it, Fever is safe too.
Man what the fuck. I mean I can understand where Konami is coming from but this is still a dick move considering how long DJMax has been around :/
If this screws us out of Trilogy I'm going to kill someone.
Trilogy is out already, it should start shipping from Play-asia come the 29th. I doubt this lawsuit will hurt that. And so far from the looks of it, Fever is safe too.
With it being released in Korea should the US release be secure as well? I mean it's not like we can't play the Korean version but the US release was going to be awfully convenient.
Man what the fuck. I mean I can understand where Konami is coming from but this is still a dick move considering how long DJMax has been around :/
If this screws us out of Trilogy I'm going to kill someone.
Trilogy is out already, it should start shipping from Play-asia come the 29th. I doubt this lawsuit will hurt that. And so far from the looks of it, Fever is safe too.
With it being released in Korea should the US release be secure as well? I mean it's not like we can't play the Korean version but the US release was going to be awfully convenient.
What the hell? so it counts because the games are similar? i mean the button layout isn't similar to beatmania. theres no piano with turntable or whatever, so whats there to sue them for?! i mean konami's cool n' all but this just ruined my christmas!
Technika should be exempt from this, unless they try to claim it as a uBeat ripoff (haha not quite Konami.)
What ever happened to competition being a good thing for the gaming industry? Now it's all about how many different types of music games you can monopolize.
Posted by eddie - Wed 12/24 2008 - 02:09 PM [ quote ]
Pentavision has been taking steps to get away from Konami's patents for a while now as well, they knew something like this was a possibility. Technika wasn't really design with that entirely in mind, but the engine update in Black Square/Fever was something they did to move away from anything Konami could get them for. That's not to say that Konami doesn't still have a case, but Pentavision is doing everything they can to save the franchise.
I'm a huge fan myself, and I really hope that this case doesn't go anywhere.
Konami needs to learn that if they keep their games all to themselves in Japan and don't push them anywhere else, other people are going to try to make music games. With their sub-par recent Bemani releases (Though Empress is by far my personal favorite IIDX release), it's clear that they're more than just lazy now.
The lawsuit is apparently only for Korea *knock on wood* so as it stands, anything PM Studios intends on releasing over here should still be safe.
Don't count out any douchbaggery on Konami's part anymore, thats what i think. The way they're going now i'm not sure that care about their fans (or bemanistyle) like that used to anymore. I only have 2 questions for them if i see them at E3-
1. Does Jason Enos work here anymore?
2. When is corporate going to pull their stick out of their ass?
i hope another company like Blizzard buys the rights to MGS before Konami runs it into the ground. Or until Konami sues Tom Clancy for making Tactical Stealth Action games.
Posted by eddie - Wed 12/24 2008 - 06:56 PM [ quote ]
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1. Does Jason Enos work here anymore?
Enos works for EA now. They offered him a pretty good package when the Sunnyvale offices closed.
Seriously though. Konami? Really? You're failing on all fronts here. Stop getting angry because another company is catering to your fans better than you are.
scottind: At least the IP rights to MGS, as far as they are concerned, are held by Kojima Studios, not Konami.
Honestly, it gets to the point where I begin to wonder if Konami is just getting jealous of other companies having success in a field they created and, for a long time, dominated.
That being said, it's not 1998 anymore... and Konami doesn't seem to know.
whats the point??
can't they do a little competition??
the best way to improve is a little rivalry.
That sucks to see other music companies to loose all that work for this.
thats a new low for YOU KONAMI.
Andamiro makes a popular dance game, Konami sues.
Amuseworld makes a DJ game similar to beatmania, Konami sues.
Roxor makes a dance game to cater to a group, makes a bad move in upgrade kits that fit Konami cabinets, Konami sues.
UDE adds new content to a game when moving to non-Asian terrorities, gets popular, Konami pulls contract, UDE sues.
Pentavision makes a popular DJ game similar but mechanically different from beatmania, Konami sues around 5 years after its creation.
I only have rhythm games and card games covered. Any that I missed?
Pentavision makes a popular dance game, Konami sues.
Amuseworld makes a DJ game similar to beatmania, Konami sues.
Roxor makes a dance game to cater to a group, makes a bad move in upgrade kits that fit Konami cabinets, Konami sues.
UDE adds new content to a game when moving to non-Asian terrorities, gets popular, Konami pulls contract, UDE sues.
Pentavision makes a popular DJ game similar but mechanically different from beatmania, Konami sues around 5 years after its creation.
I only have rhythm games and card games covered. Any that I missed?
EDIT: How did the Harmonix case work?
I don't think Pentavision ever made a dance game at all. I think this is a bad move for Konami but it's sort of understandable why certain companies got sued by Konami.
Wow what a bunch of crying babies. Face it, Konami does not have soul, they are a corporation. With that in mind I don't think we'll hear much from this atleast for a while. I hope for the best that Pentavision does not get taken out, that would be a shame. But jeez some of you are quick to go balistic with Konami. Some piece of shit song gets taken off DDRX, EMPRESS got a glitch. and you know what's hypocritical, you assholes who were quick to bitch is probably is playing TROOPERS or some DDR game right now.
guess what? konami is doing what it wants as usual. make it make money, konami.
Because when there's no cash cow to milk, just create one by suing every music game company out there. This wasn't well received on 2ch, don't forget that Japan also has quite a DJMax fanbase.
Pentavision makes a popular dance game, Konami sues.
Amuseworld makes a DJ game similar to beatmania, Konami sues.
Roxor makes a dance game to cater to a group, makes a bad move in upgrade kits that fit Konami cabinets, Konami sues.
UDE adds new content to a game when moving to non-Asian terrorities, gets popular, Konami pulls contract, UDE sues.
Pentavision makes a popular DJ game similar but mechanically different from beatmania, Konami sues around 5 years after its creation.
I only have rhythm games and card games covered. Any that I missed?
EDIT: How did the Harmonix case work?
I don't think Pentavision ever made a dance game at all. I think this is a bad move for Konami but it's sort of understandable why certain companies got sued by Konami.
Sorry, meant Andamiro.
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Wow what a bunch of crying babies. Face it, Konami does not have soul, they are a corporation. With that in mind I don't think we'll hear much from this atleast for a while. I hope for the best that Pentavision does not get taken out, that would be a shame. But jeez some of you are quick to go balistic with Konami. Some piece of shit song gets taken off DDRX, EMPRESS got a glitch. and you know what's hypocritical, you assholes who were quick to bitch is probably is playing TROOPERS or some DDR game right now.
Just because we may be acting hypocritical (so you perceive it) doesn't mean they're right.
We're quick to act because that's how the internet works. The internet wouldn't be the internet if it weren't fast. We'd be phone conferences or telegraphs or something with a lesser form of instantaneous mass distribution.
guess what? konami is doing what it wants as usual. make it make money, konami.
Because when there's no cash cow to milk, just create one by suing every music game company out there. This wasn't well received on 2ch, don't forget that Japan also has quite a DJMax fanbase.
2ch organized boycott? Lol. I'd like to see it happen, but its wishful thinking.
Man what the fuck. I mean I can understand where Konami is coming from but this is still a dick move considering how long DJMax has been around :/ If this screws us out of Trilogy I'm going to kill someone.
Trilogy is out already, it should start shipping from Play-asia come the 29th. I doubt this lawsuit will hurt that. And so far from the looks of it, Fever is safe too.
God thank you, I hope they don't harm Fever I would love to see a US release, first Konami sues In The Groove and now this crap fuck them.
Posted by Raydere - Thu 12/25 2008 - 12:28 AM [ quote ]
I love Konami's games. I hate their legal practices.
Posted by 22Davo - Thu 12/25 2008 - 12:40 AM [ quote ]
Hey where's Adventure CS?
Posted by LunarAura - Thu 12/25 2008 - 12:56 AM [ quote ]
RADIORAMA is a funny character.
Pentavision and Andamiro totally dominate Konami's production value and overall quality. JuBeat looks like a damn NES game compared to Technika.
You're the one who's crying. Go pretend you're not a lone soldier in a corner playing with your solid snake.
Posted by RADIORAMA - Thu 12/25 2008 - 01:19 AM [ quote ]
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RADIORAMA is a funny character.
Pentavision and Andamiro totally dominate Konami's production value and overall quality. JuBeat looks like a damn NES game compared to Technika.
You're the one who's crying. Go pretend you're not a lone soldier in a corner playing with your solid snake.
I like Pump it up & the DJ MAX series though. Try again.
Posted by Reenee - Thu 12/25 2008 - 01:38 AM [ quote ]
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I love Konami's games.
Yeah, say that about DDR as of late.
Posted by Milk Chan - Thu 12/25 2008 - 01:44 AM [ quote ]
The DJMAX franchise is one of the few out there that actually care for their fans and this lawsuit really upsets me.
I just hope it falls through since DJMAX could actually be the savior for the US music(rock)game genre. Plus I LOVE DJMAX PC and PSP is amazing as well.
Well crap. I didn't even discover DJMax until recently, but I've had a lot of fun with what I played of the PSP and Technika games and I'm looking forward to future releases. And now this happens? Let's hope nothing serious comes of this, even if it is just for Korea.
Wow... with X AC being terrible so far, X CS being terrible, HP2 being Terrible, Uni 3 having a bunch of problems, Empress feeling rushed, and now this? I really don't think this was the best time for Konami to slap them with a lawsuit since many fans aren't exactly happy with them at the moment...
Not to mention the kick in the balls about Adventure CS not being released. This has been a pretty shitty year for Bemani.
Posted by 허드손 - Thu 12/25 2008 - 02:29 AM [ quote ]
Or GFdm V4/Masterpiece PLATINUM. :|
Atleast we got beat'n groovy and Rock Revolution!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Hypr - Thu 12/25 2008 - 03:34 AM [ quote ]
First In The Groove, and now this?
COME THE FUCK ON KONAMI! If a rival company infringes your patents, you slap them with a cease-and-desist order IMMEDIATELY, not sit on your fucking hands and wait for like 3 years for their game(s) to become successful. Do you even realize that actions like this hurt your company even further?
Everyone, BOYCOTT KONAMI! Don't buy anymore of their dogshit games!
If a rival company infringes your patents, you slap them with a cease-and-desist order IMMEDIATELY, not sit on your fucking hands and wait for like 3 years for their game(s) to become successful.
I think we all know Konami's real aim here is to take-over the DJMAX franchise now that they know what the hype in the market is like, and most of the artists work has been done. Pentavision did a EXCELLENT job marketing all of their titles, most of us were all on the edge of our seats. Imagine Konami stealing the creative group's year-long hard work, because that's exactly what's going to happen here if this goes through.
I'm not buying any more Konami products (hell, I make my own Duel Monsters cards, lol). Konami's had plenty of time (or rather an EXUBERANT AMOUNT) to "test the waters." I'm sure they want in now, even if they have to do it by force. With a complete takeover, you know what to expect.. If that happends, God help us all..
God help us all.
Posted by Hypr - Thu 12/25 2008 - 03:59 AM [ quote ]
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Originally Posted by Hypr
If a rival company infringes your patents, you slap them with a cease-and-desist order IMMEDIATELY, not sit on your fucking hands and wait for like 3 years for their game(s) to become successful.
I think Konami's real aim here is to take-over Pentavision now that they know what the market is like (they've tested the waters I'm sure by waiting this long).
If that happends, God help us all.
Test the waters? Hahahahahahaha!
You're joking, right? Because THAT was a good one.
Otherwise, let me fill you in: In the Groove 2 DOMINATED the competition against Konami's DDR Supernova. Around a year later after the lawsuit, we now have a piece of shit known as DDR-X. Don't even get me started on their recent releases after ITG3 was successfully terminated, because those games were also a disaster!
The DJMAX franchise is one of the few out there that actually care for their fans and this lawsuit really upsets me.
Thank you, that is the point I was going to say. Having been to the TECHNIKA loctests at UCLA and AI, it's refreshing to see a foreign company pushing and making a decent effort to make a market among music gamers here in the US, something that Konami has failed to do on numerous occasions. I love Konami's games, but their sue-happy tactics to shut down competitors while at the same time refusing to put effort in their stateside releases is what I think is really pissing people off. If you're going to sue for IP, at least USE IT, Konami. It's like suing for one million and burning the money.
Posted by Sheepdude - Thu 12/25 2008 - 05:47 AM [ quote ]
Konami will sue.
Posted by kyrilsama - Thu 12/25 2008 - 06:57 AM [ quote ]
sheesh konami is the king of rhythm games but they better stop acting like a corrupt king who captures and kills the likes of robin hood who helps the poor peasants so that the king's sheriff can easily collect more taxes from them. i love their bemani series but this nonsense is going far enough. if they continue this, i hope they'll go bankrupt.
Konami needs to learn that if they keep their games all to themselves in Japan and don't push them anywhere else, other people are going to try to make music games.
While this is pretty valid, Konami has done Korean releases of various Bemani games. I don't know if they still do, but it seems like they gave the market more of a chance than they gave the US.
damn.. it looks like all konami is trying to do is make them lose sells.. on top of that. calling the hounds out on a company thats doing a pretty good job giving IIDX a run for it's money sad to say. i love both series to death but damn that was low konami
Normally, I would be in the side of Konami in most of these lawsuits, but this time around, it won't be the case. Sure, the basic concept is similar, but the approaches are completely different. Heck, if they were to sue a rhythm game based on a similar concept to bm, they should have (and probably did) sue O2jam China for using Konami songs (among others) in an apparently commercial environment.
Apparently, the global recession is destroying the minds of various companies.
Well only a few of Konami's games are any fun, but this just totally pissed me off, I finally get into DJ Max, and now theres a chance the US might not even get it, I'm sorry but thats just a big disappointment to me.
Oh great.......Konami realizes their losing money over their fail-train music game products so they decide to get rid of the competition anyway possible. Smooth move Konami....smooth.....
And here people wonder why I don't play Bemani games anymore (if I do, it's because I'm EXTREMELY bored). Either way it goes, I hope this doesn't fall through cause I'll be screaming bloody murder if it does.
Posted by hak88 - Sat 12/27 2008 - 10:48 PM [ quote ]
In terms of Pentavision's games that they have designed in platform. I think they're really safe from Konami's lawsuit. I mean, there's from DJMAX Portable 1 all the way through DJMAX Black Square for PSP, and I haven't seen any of the PSP or PC game that Konami made. Even if a design group such as Ponglow, or there was some recruitment of bemani artists creating songs for some of the DJMAX Portable series (Son of Sun by Hosoe Shinji, for example) that's just their own decision of artwork submitted to Pentavision. Technika doesn't even match with any of the beatmania arcade system. Touchscreen music rhythm game is what makes Technika unique, and I just don't understand what Pentavision's products or concepts that goes along with Konami's known as "patented" ideas.
Konami shouldn't bully other companies, and should try working on their own products (especially without adding shitty songs and glitches and such). Although I liked the DDR series up to the Supernova 2 ones. Can't say how horrible are the lastest games and arcades about Konami though.
Posted by gamma191 - Sun 12/28 2008 - 09:48 PM [ quote ]
I think guitar hero's next...
Posted by mark - Mon 12/29 2008 - 12:33 AM [ quote ]
"I think guitar hero's next..."
Nah, they paid their protection money from what I've heard.
Posted by yyr - Fri 01/02 2009 - 01:02 AM [ quote ]
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I hope all you assholes stop buying Konami products from now on. If you do, then you're a fucking phony and you know it. Hypocrite assholes.
Back when Konami dropped the lawsuit bomb on the Rock Band folks I said I wasn't going to buy any more Konami games. I haven't since and don't plan to anytime soon. This just gives me another reason not to buy.
This is just pure crap, plain and simple. I can't say much about it that hasn't already been said. I still play ITG2 on a regular basis...DDR feels so old by comparison, even the so-called new ones. They can't innovate any more. They've totally lost it. And it's not just Bemani either. I can't believe they tried to make a Castlevania fighting game.
Now that MGS4 is out, they don't have any more big releases upcoming, so they're going to try to stay in business any way they can...except for actually releasing a whole bunch of great new games.
Fuck you, Konami.
Posted by X-cross - Sun 01/04 2009 - 11:54 AM [ quote ]
Konami: Trying its best to kill rhythm game heaven!!!
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