New Scratch Video Showcases Game Controller
Posted by nestlekwik - Sat 06/13 2009 - 06:16 PM - 2076 Views
The past few weeks has seen a lot of buzz around DJ Hero and just when you thought maybe Scratch: The Ultimate DJ was being drown out into obscurity, Genius has come forth at the end of the week to provide a video showcasing the controller it is so proud of. While the video centers around the controller, snippets of game play video are shown in the trailer.
Rating: 23 Positive | 32 Negative
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Posted by Izam - Sat 06/13 2009 - 06:44 PM [ quote ]
It may be the turdiest looking controller on the block but I have to admit it looks pretty good in action.
Posted by snapps - Sat 06/13 2009 - 07:00 PM [ quote ]
saw this video last week and im totally looking forward to green hornet
Posted by GERARDAMO - Sat 06/13 2009 - 07:07 PM [ quote ]
I was actually planning on picking this up back when nobody knew how DJ Hero or Scratch would turn out... But now I'm starting to think this looks like a really easy, really watered down version of Beatmania (Not even IIDX! :P)
Now I'm actually genuinely excited for DJ Hero, whereas this... Well... It looks pretty lame.
Posted by AceJay - Sat 06/13 2009 - 07:21 PM [ quote ]
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Originally Posted by GERARDAMO
really easy, really watered down version of Beatmania
Well, the difficulty resembles 6s and 7s in this video on some songs. It doesn't look bad.
However calling it the "only legitimate DJ controller" is pretty retarded, haha.
Posted by MdX MaxX - Sat 06/13 2009 - 07:37 PM [ quote ]
"Scratch Deck: Get your hands on the music!" lol
I'm not quite sure which will be better, Scratch or DJ Hero. Scratch seems more beatmania, while DJ Hero seems to more authentically replicate turntablism.
But screw both of them, I'm sticking with TROOPERS.
Posted by lurker - Sat 06/13 2009 - 07:57 PM [ quote ]
i'd probably pick this game over dj hero, although the "first and only legitimate dj controller" statement is lol
i expect the hardest songs will have lots of jackhammers
"First and only legitimate DJ controller"....that is just pathetic. You would think that anyone about to make a DJ game would check their sources and see if it has been tried yet. Anyway, I will agree with MdX MaxX. SCREW BOTH OF THEM! GO TROOPERS AND HAPPY SKY!
Posted by idkfa987 - Sat 06/13 2009 - 08:51 PM [ quote ]
I just CANNOT WAIT until they get sued.
this is gonna be funny as hell.
Posted by _____Cait - Sat 06/13 2009 - 08:55 PM [ quote ]
I'll admit, it actually looks kind of cool.
Posted by cb0ne - Sat 06/13 2009 - 09:09 PM [ quote ]
American Crackin DJ/Beatmania 5-key combo. You can't really be disappointed. We win.
...DJ Hero looks better, this does not interest me =P
Posted by b00geyman - Sat 06/13 2009 - 09:26 PM [ quote ]
it just bothers me that they think this is something new and innovative... and that their controller is the ONLY dj controller out there. wheres the love for the rave discman?
I don't get why they're so damn proud of their controller. It's EXACTLY like a 5key beatmania controller only the buttons are all lined up instead of staggered. It's not innovative in the least, you stupid tools.
Posted by Renard - Sat 06/13 2009 - 09:58 PM [ quote ]
I don't see how you people think that the controller ISN'T the first and only legitimate DJ controller. Nowhere did they say that Scratch: The Ultimate DJ has some innovative, never-before-seen peripheral. They're showcasing a controller that is made by and officially endorsed by Numark, a DJ equipment production company. It is a perfectly fine statement to make.
Posted by kumaru - Sat 06/13 2009 - 10:18 PM [ quote ]
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Originally Posted by GERARDAMO
really easy, really watered down version of Beatmania
Well, the difficulty resembles 6s and 7s in this video on some songs. It doesn't look bad.
However calling it the "only legitimate DJ controller" is pretty retarded, haha.
Have you Seen the Dj hero controller? ITS A JOKE!
Posted by kumaru - Sat 06/13 2009 - 10:20 PM [ quote ]
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Originally Posted by maxninja114
...DJ Hero looks better, this does not interest me =P
Dj hero bores me. its not creative. its all premade.
Posted by kumaru - Sat 06/13 2009 - 10:32 PM [ quote ]
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Originally Posted by idkfa987
I just CANNOT WAIT until they get sued.
this is gonna be funny as hell.
wow, you guys are so fucking biaest. First off. ITS NUMARK! its based off their technology alone. not bemani. Second dose it look anything like the Beatmania controller? NO! im so sick of you weeaboo's knocking on new music games just because their american.
Looking at this, the only thing that turns me away is a strong hip-hop influence and just that. Usually when I play music games I tend to enjoy a large variety of genres to choose from, one of the reasons I tend to stray from GH/RB/GFDM and enjoy the other games, even if it is just by OSTs alone.
Posted by ceraf - Sat 06/13 2009 - 10:47 PM [ quote ]
would have been cool if they did all 16 buttons instead of a row of 5.
meh, oh well. not as bad as i thought it would turn out. but still not that great.
Posted by dj VENOM - Sat 06/13 2009 - 11:23 PM [ quote ]
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Second dose it look anything like the Beatmania controller? NO! im so sick of you weeaboo's knocking on new music games just because their american.
yeah... it's because it's american that everyone is bashing this.... it has nothing to do with it being hyped as something new and original (just like what harmonix did with the rock band drums with that game was first being introduced). and yes, it might be based of numark technology, but it doesnt change the FACT that it's a beatmania controller with buttons that are arranged and colored guitar hero style.
I like how liking one particular thing from japan better than the us seems to automatically make someone a weeaboo. American companies make a lot of good types of games, but in my opinion, music games are not one of them, and from what i've seen so far, these new dj games dont look like they're gonna change my mind.
I am not interested in neither of these games, but if I were to choose one over the other, DJ HERO looks a bit more promising.
The demo for DJ Hero looks fun, compare to this game.
Posted by AceJay - Sun 06/14 2009 - 12:01 AM [ quote ]
If this controller wasn't ugly as fuck and it used the gameplay mechanics of DJ Hero while retaining the art style of Scratch, we'd have a winner.
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would have been cool if they did all 16 buttons instead of a row of 5.meh, oh well. not as bad as i thought it would turn out. but still not that great.
Haha, maybe they'll build in a secret mode if you connect your Akai pad.
Anyway, I'll have to see how the controller feels before passing judgement.
Posted by Ashura96 - Sun 06/14 2009 - 12:54 AM [ quote ]
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Originally Posted by maxninja114
...DJ Hero looks better, this does not interest me =P
The hell it does.
Posted by GERARDAMO - Sun 06/14 2009 - 01:18 AM [ quote ]
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really easy, really watered down version of Beatmania
Well, the difficulty resembles 6s and 7s in this video on some songs. It doesn't look bad.
However calling it the "only legitimate DJ controller" is pretty retarded, haha.
Have you Seen the Dj hero controller? ITS A JOKE!
At least the DJ Hero isn't a blatant ripoff of a Beatmania controller. I'm still holding back judgement for it, but it looks a hell of a lot more innovative than this controller.
bmIIDX has the same concept, except ballScratch lets you freestyle...oh yeah, and scratch...
where's the innovation in this?
WTF
MASH-UPS FTW
all of you fahks better take back that statement about Activision translating GH into DJH
Posted by Eight - Sun 06/14 2009 - 01:34 AM [ quote ]
So. Why are people complaining about this? Are people really this bitter about good ideas being emulated?
I'll wait till CS release to lay a verdict upon this, but I think it blows the crap out of crappy mccrap DJ Hero. The controller even makes more sense... even if it ain't "original".
bmIIDX has the same concept, except ballScratch lets you freestyle...oh yeah, and scratch...
where's the innovation in this?
WTF
MASH-UPS FTW
all of you fahks better take back that statement about Activision translating GH into DJH
shut the fuck up, seriously
Posted by gtc - Sun 06/14 2009 - 03:05 AM [ quote ]
Perhaps they're calling this the first legitimate DJ controller because it kind of could be. It's going to be USB, will have an analog turntable, a crossfader, and five Akai-clone buttons.
IIDX has a digital (kind of crappy for anything other than IIDX) turntable and buttons.
DJ Hero has . . . well it's a piece of shit.
So I could definitely see using a Scratch deck in a DJing program on your PC.
Haha, I like the comment about Numark leading the DJing industry. Apparently, Numark is completely unaware of the existence of Pioneer and Native Instruments. XD
</end actual DJ talk>
Seriously though...I can see how they're trying to make it legit. I mean, it's cool how they're implementing it. That being said, I'm sticking to beatmania. This looks like one of those games one of my friends will get, I'll try it out one night, beat one of the hardest songs, and never touch again. I know it sounds cocky, but it's happened with RB/GH consistantly. :(
Posted by Drakogy - Sun 06/14 2009 - 03:45 AM [ quote ]
We all know which series is the original but at the moment its Scratch and DJ Hero's turn. Who knows if theyll actually be a success or not.
Ultimately it comes down to the musical preference and if the general public wants licensed tracks then so be it. I'll just stick with IIDX.
Posted by thecatz - Sun 06/14 2009 - 08:22 AM [ quote ]
"First and only legitimate DJ controller"
GOD YES , GREAT IDEAS GUYS ! Gratz to your " engineers " !
Posted by djgiza - Sun 06/14 2009 - 09:07 AM [ quote ]
it looks like there showcasing numark products just as much as the game...
would have been cool if they did all 16 buttons instead of a row of 5.
but then that would be like jubeat
Posted by MUSCLES - Sun 06/14 2009 - 10:53 AM [ quote ]
Despite what any of you want to think beatmania was never a DJ simulation game. It's a fun game, but simulation it's not. Scratch actually is the first and only true DJ controller, aside from CRACKIN' DJ, which was never a consumer product. So as much as you all want to bitch about it, they're completely right.
Posted by Zarcom - Sun 06/14 2009 - 11:14 AM [ quote ]
As a person who has been around the Dj world for quite a few years now. This looks very good.
To all the stupid fanboys who think this game sucks because its "American", suck a lemon :).
So. Why are people complaining about this? Are people really this bitter about good ideas being emulated?
I'll wait till CS release to lay a verdict upon this, but I think it blows the crap out of crappy mccrap DJ Hero. The controller even makes more sense... even if it ain't "original".
It's not because good ideas are being emulated
It's because they're ripping off good ideas and claiming they made them and they're the second coming of Jesus
Notice there was no shitstorm about DJMax and the Muse-On controller because Pentavision never said it was new or innovative or even that they came up with the idea... they just said "here's a DJMax controller" people said "lol it looks like IIDX with an extra key" and everyone lived happily ever after without Pentavision coming out and saying "LOOK AT THIS THE ONLY LEGITIMATE BUTTON CONTROLLER IT'S SO FUCKING NEW AND ORIGINAL"
Posted by MUSCLES - Sun 06/14 2009 - 12:25 PM [ quote ]
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It's because they're ripping off good ideas and claiming they made them and they're the second coming of Jesus
No, Jeff Paine, they're just trying to sell their product. And they aren't trying to sell it to BEMANI players, they're trying to sell it to the average consumer. They have to hype their product in order to get sales from people who wouldn't normally buy music games so they have to upsell it, especially since it's a smaller company that isn't Activision, Konami or Harmonix right now.
What you won't ever admit is that they aren't ripping off ideas more than every other video game developer. Do you throw a fit when ANOTHER fighter uses the Hadoken QC+P pattern for a special? The Double QC+P for a super too? No? Then why are you throwing a fit now?
Posted by Solefald - Sun 06/14 2009 - 12:36 PM [ quote ]
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Scratch - Hip Hop/Rap (ugh...)
DJ Hero - Actual Dance music
I know what one im going for.
All hip hop and rap is about people beating their wives while wearing gold jewelry and smoking pot. Absolutely all of it. Yep. What a horrible genre of music!
You like shitty Eurobeat music. You, out of all people, have NO RIGHT to badmouth an entire genre of music.
Posted by crux - Sun 06/14 2009 - 12:41 PM [ quote ]
Either people don't understand the definition of "legitimate" or they have little understanding of the term "DJ." Either way, the ignorance is staggering.
ACID HAUS is right. Crackin' DJ is the ONLY game and turntable(s) before Scratch to ever remotely resemble actual turntabalism. Beatmania and DJMax use the damn thing as an extra button. No one here can see the difference? Not only will the turntable on the Scratch controller actually emulate a professional turntable in rotation and feel, but it can actually be used like a real turntable and not just an eighth (or ninth) button.
Of course, the faux Akai buttons essentially just emulate Beatmania and the game itself doesn't seem to be a far stretch aside from being able to add beats and, you know, the ability to actually scratch, but we're talking about the controller here, aren't we? The buttons will still feel a lot more like the real thing than Sanwa buttons do, in any case.
I understand that this is Bemani style and given the chance some fanboys would sleep with Konami. I've played every iteration of IIDX and it is no way a DJ simulator. Its a finger tap to the music game with the only gameplay improvement over the years is to change the speed in which the notes scroll. I could care less about 85% of the music, and much less about those lame anime characters whose purpose I still have yet to figure out. I felt more like a DJ playing 5-key back in the day.
DJ Hero looks legit. Crossfader, rewinding tracks, mash-ups, incorportation of mic and guitar, actual dance music heard outside the tiny island of Japan. Graphics look sick on my next-gen system. My girlfriend wont touch IIDX, doesnt understand it.
Scratch looks eh, feels like I played something quite similar for the last 9+ years.
So fanboys, can we wait for these new games to release before saying they are shit compared to Beatmania. Yes, we all know and grew up on BM but it is time to move on and stop sticking up for Konami. It is completly okay to like IIDX and still be excited for DJ hero/Scratch without bashing.
I come to this website because the community knows its music games here. I wish sometimes that members would grow up. IIDX had its chance in the USA, I bought it for a doubles controller, now it is time for something new. I dont think I am the only one on here who feels this bashing has got out of hand. End of rant...fuck
But before that, what CaptainBuzz8 said is exactly what I was about to say: beatmaniaIIDX is not a DJ simulator, just like DDR doesn't really simulate dancing (unless, of course, you're dancing while playing).
DJ Hero/Scratch are trying to be simulators, like I dunno GH or something. And while most of the American population is into that kind of thing, I still like games like IIDX and technika BECAUSE they include anime and Asian culture, plus they have good interfaces.
What you won't ever admit is that they aren't ripping off ideas more than every other video game developer. Do you throw a fit when ANOTHER fighter uses the Hadoken QC+P pattern for a special? The Double QC+P for a super too? No? Then why are you throwing a fit now?
There's a big difference between using similar controls on a standard controller (after all there's not much room for innovation there unless you want to do something retarded like mapping movement to the shoulder buttons that would render your game completely unplayable) and hyping up your "new" controller that derives heavily from an already existing one
If someone came out with a mech fighting game that used a twinstick setup, I'd accuse them of ripping off Virtual On, especially if they were hyping up their "innovative" setup. Hell, if Konami suddenly decided to add some DJ Hero-style buttons to the IIDX turntable I'd get mad at them for ripping off DJ Hero. (not to mention that would make the game way too fucking hard)
I bitched about Microsoft's Avatars after they started hyping the shit out of them too. Rare can whine about how they started working on Avatars since before Miis were revealed but the truth is Nintendo has been working on Miis since the Famicom days and had exhibited some of their early unfinished uses before Rare was even bought out my Microsoft.
Hell, I even hate all the GTA ripoffs and generic derivative FPSs that come out nowadays but the major difference is most of them don't claim to be innovative and/or get hyped up far beyond what they deserve, so there's no reason to get mad. Scratch, on the other hand, is making a gigantic deal out of their controller which, like it's been mentioned before, is a 5key controller with the buttons positioned differently. Hell, they even made it reversable so you can pick which side you want to use the turntable on.
This game should be interesting. .. though, not being a fan of rap/hiphop - being that most of the recent stufdf kinda sucks, DJ Hero is something else I'm keeping my eyes on.
I'm starting to think this looks like a really easy, really watered down version of Beatmania (Not even IIDX! :P)
Given Beatmania has a balls-to-the-wall, almost unfair learning curve to get anywhere decent at it, it's nice to see this concept getting a dumbing down. If I get good at Scratch I just might try playing IIDX again.
Do most Beatmania fans not realize it's a very fucking hard game that caters to hardcore rhythm players?
Posted by random124 - Sun 06/14 2009 - 05:21 PM [ quote ]
New gaming interface? First and only legitimate dj controller for video games? Built from the ground up? All of these are BS! Why hasn't Bemani taking any action to sue these fakers?
Posted by Altoid27 - Sun 06/14 2009 - 05:23 PM [ quote ]
Honestly, the only thing that is turning me off on this is the graphic style. Yeah, graphics are about as important to a rhythm game as a story is to a sports game, but I don't know... there's just something weird about them to me.
That said, I am amazed at the venomous display of bashing towards anything that does not come with a "Konami" logo slapped across it. That's all fine and dandy once the game is out and you've had your chance to play it and discover, yeah, it actually was worlds worse than you thought it would be and completely ripped off of everything Bemani-related in the history of the world, but to start slinging mud before the thing is even out is just stupid. It may be great, it may be the worst idea ever. I'm not ready to sing its praises or run it over with my car. I'll just give it a shot later on when it comes out and then make a judgment.
And by that point, I'll probably have to have built another room onto my house to store my rhythm-game controller collection.
New gaming interface? First and only legitimate dj controller for video games? Built from the ground up? All of these are BS! Why hasn't Bemani taking any action to sue these fakers?
Next person who doesn't read the fucking comments and/or mentions anything about suing is getting infractions. I'm sick of reading this incompetent drivel.
Posted by 「dj.TK」 - Sun 06/14 2009 - 06:57 PM [ quote ]
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Originally Posted by Solefald
You like shitty Eurobeat music. You, out of all people, have NO RIGHT to badmouth an entire genre of music.
Where the fuck did that come from? Jesus man calm down. I don't even like eurobeat that much either. I don't dislike all Rap (Hip hops not that bad), it's just the majority of its all the same.
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Even though turntablism is really only featured on hip-hop?
Fair point, but theres still plenty of Dance music out there that involves turntablism.
Posted by gtc - Sun 06/14 2009 - 07:44 PM [ quote ]
A couple more comments, one being that I really hate all these different games using the same Guitar Hero color scheme for the buttons. But I guess you have to stoop to that to get noticed.
And I hit up Guitar Center today looking for drumming stuff and ran across the actual Numark digital turntables they show in the video . . . so fucking SICK and fun to play with.
That said, I am amazed at the venomous display of bashing towards anything that does not come with a "Konami" logo slapped across it. T.
Summarizing it like that really misses the focus of the griping.
I mean, look at the non-bemani games that get praise. Your comment, while not entirely baseless, is inaccurate to say the least.
Posted by Jinx - Sun 06/14 2009 - 08:52 PM [ quote ]
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Usually when I play music games I tend to enjoy a large variety of genres to choose from, one of the reasons I tend to stray from GH/RB/GFDM
Have you ever played GFDM? No? Really? That's funny, I didn't think you had either.
Posted by Pie-kun - Sun 06/14 2009 - 09:18 PM [ quote ]
Huh what.
I don't have enough money to get this or DJ Hero, so I have to stick with IIDX. I dunno, they look like they could be okay, but I suppose it'll really come down to music for me.
Posted by zorahk - Sun 06/14 2009 - 09:41 PM [ quote ]
Look guys, it's not about the genre of music or the difficulty or fanboyism. The only thing people really have a problem with is that this guy is claiming his product is "new" and "innovative" and that this is the "first" controller of its kind, when in fact it is none of those. If he didn't say any of that nonsense, I wouldn't have any problem with the game, albeit it does feature a genre of music I wish didn't exist.
Look guys, it's not about the genre of music or the difficulty or fanboyism. The only thing people really have a problem with is that this guy is claiming his product is "new" and "innovative" and that this is the "first" controller of its kind, when in fact it is none of those. If he didn't say any of that nonsense, I wouldn't have any problem with the game, albeit it does feature a genre of music I wish didn't exist.
WHO CARES
JESUS CHRIST JUST ENJOY THE FUCKING GAME
GODDAMMIT YOU ARE PEOPLE ARE ALL WORTHLESS GAAAAAAAAAH
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Originally Posted by naoki1998
this is a complete piece of shit!, beatmania owns, this, is just pathetic......
called it "the ultimate dj controller" hahahaha, yeah... sure.... beatmania have more that 16 versions as experience; this is just a joke XD
Also, seriously, you're an idiot, and I'm probably going to infract you.
Posted by [NesS] - Sun 06/14 2009 - 11:35 PM [ quote ]
naoki1998 really does sound stupid with that dumb shit. get out of here.
mint has a point. as i said commenting on the youtube video, i'm really sick of people automatically jumping the gun and assuming "oh, hey, this is automatic shit because it doesn't have konami, bemani, iidx, beatmania, or a bunch of japanese electro-pop-happy handbag music in it" get the fuck over it. this game has features iidx doesn't and, as said before, you can actually SCRATCH in the game. the last time i remember actually scratching in iidx freely is BMUS.
the game doesn't look THAT bad. dj hero doesn't look THAT bad. these games are actually DJ SIMULATORS and not HOLY SHIT MASH ALL THESE FUCKIN BUTTONS AND USE YOUR WRIST TO SCRATCH A SHITLOAD OF CRASHES AT 300 BPM!!!!!!! games.
]naoki1998 really does sound stupid with that dumb shit. get out of here.
If anything, you are the one coming off as a dumb shit, IMO.
Naoki1998 made a very good point. The big gripe is not that it isn't beatmania, not that it is different, but the innovation / originality claim. Obviously, you and mint are having trouble understanding. That is a very legit thing to call bullshit on, not enough to disinterest me in the slightest from trying the game though.
Posted by gtc - Mon 06/15 2009 - 12:55 AM [ quote ]
You people need to watch the video again. He said:
"the first and only legitimate DJ controller"
First and only DJ controller? No. beatmania was.
First and only LEGITIMATE DJ CONTROLLER? Yes. You can't plug a IIDX controller in to your PC and use it with Reason or MixMeister or whatever DJ software without a lot of bullshit and drawbacks.
This has an analog TT, a crossfader, and MPC buttons. You can use it to DJ if you're that lame.
Get over whatever quote you think you heard in the video that wasn't really there.
these games are actually DJ SIMULATORS and not HOLY SHIT MASH ALL THESE FUCKIN BUTTONS AND USE YOUR WRIST TO SCRATCH A SHITLOAD OF CRASHES AT 300 BPM!!!!!!! games."
But does it actually try to simulate the actual "art" of DJing, like Scratch and DJ Hero are trying to do?
I'd love to have this controller as an actual DJ deck, despite it's obvious limits. It'd be really fun to toy around with outside of the game itself.
I've yet to see a IIDX controller that can do the same thing out of the box. Hell, do the same thing in general!
Posted by June.H - Mon 06/15 2009 - 02:26 AM [ quote ]
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Have you ever played GFDM? No? Really? That's funny, I didn't think you had either.
No I haven't and I haven't been interested in it ever.
And that's what makes your previous statement even more ironic and pretty damn ignorant.
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Konami will sue.
Yeah there needs to be a rule in life against people thinking that's still funny or clever.
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Haha, I like the comment about Numark leading the DJing industry. Apparently, Numark is completely unaware of the existence of Pioneer and Native Instruments. XD</end actual DJ talk>
It's all in the eye of the beholder and personal preference. Some people prefer Numark over other tables. There's no standard to what is the best, I've had tons of people tell me that Skullcandy (I know, seriously??), Sony, and Sennheiser make the best closed-ear headphones, hands down. I've tried plenty of closed-ear monitoring headphones and I ended up enjoying the pair of Audio-Technika I use now.
As for the game, I'm looking forward to seeing how it plays. You can't judge a game until you've tried it. Those looking to play this LOOKING FOR BEATMANIA are most likely going to be disappointed...because guess what? It's not Beatmania. This'll probably even do better (marginally at worst) than Beatmania US, for starters probably because it'll be marketed more appropriately.
Posted by MUSCLES - Mon 06/15 2009 - 03:09 AM [ quote ]
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Hell, they even made it reversable so you can pick which side you want to use the turntable on.
How about this, if you want to keep on believing that it's a rip off before the game has even come out, you can do that. But honestly, you and everyone else who thinks this game's a rip-off should really get over it and realize that game IP's get, "ripped-off" daily.
tl;dr Simpsons already did it so get over it already.
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Haha, I like the comment about Numark leading the DJing industry. Apparently, Numark is completely unaware of the existence of Pioneer and Native Instruments. XD</end actual DJ talk>
Uh... have you not heard of Technics? They've been leading the DJ game for a while. Since, like, the 80's, uncontended.
But also on this point, everything everyone is bitching about with this trailer is all due to their marketing department. They HAVE to say, "Numark is leading the DJ Industry" because they're marketing Scratch to the general public. They can't say, "Numark isn't the leader of the DJ Industry but they put out probably the most hardware every month to get newbies to buy their shitty product so you KNOW they had time to make this!", because that's the truth but that won't make sales. Bitching about marketing dp's stretching the truth is like bitching about senior drivers. It's always going to be a problem to you, get over it and don't worry about something that's always, totally, 100% inevitable.
tl;dr Technics are awesome
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Crackin' DJ is the ONLY game and turntable(s) before Scratch to ever remotely resemble actual turntabalism.
Actually Crackin' DJ perfectly simulated Hip-Hop style Turntablism right down to mixing breaks.
Crackin' also emulated scratching perfectly. And when I say perfect I mean prefect. That is how you scratch.
Posted by Milk Chan - Mon 06/15 2009 - 05:26 AM [ quote ]
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Originally Posted by �dj.TK�
Scratch - Hip Hop/Rap (ugh...)
DJ Hero - Actual Dance music
I know what one im going for.
All hip hop and rap is about people beating their wives while wearing gold jewelry and smoking pot. Absolutely all of it. Yep. What a horrible genre of music!
You like shitty Eurobeat music. You, out of all people, have NO RIGHT to badmouth an entire genre of music.
ahahahah people that hate the entire genres of rap/hip-hop are people that have no rhythm (aka play and take DDR seriously!)
Posted by Jinx - Mon 06/15 2009 - 06:41 AM [ quote ]
Or they just don't like the idiot artists, conceivably. When was the last time you listened to /popular/ rap or hip-hop and heard something that sounded like it took more than 30 minutes to come up with? Also, if it didn't have violence, sex, or substance abuse in it, what was left of it?
And need I remind Konami purists that Konami's logo loop DOES play every two minutes or so on Guitar Hero AC. If you love your blind fealty to a company so much, go throw a fistful of bills into this next time you're at any D&B or larger FEC.
Posted by Jumbo - Mon 06/15 2009 - 07:36 AM [ quote ]
It actually looks kind of fun. I found I enjoyed the songs in IIDX that had a lot of scratches in their chart (e.g.; anything by Mad Sequence), so this could be cool. If they have a doubles mode, they DEFINITELY have my purchase.
You people need to watch the video again. He said:
"the first and only legitimate DJ controller"
First and only DJ controller? No. beatmania was.
First and only LEGITIMATE DJ CONTROLLER? Yes. You can't plug a IIDX controller in to your PC and use it with Reason or MixMeister or whatever DJ software without a lot of bullshit and drawbacks.
This has an analog TT, a crossfader, and MPC buttons. You can use it to DJ if you're that lame.
Get over whatever quote you think you heard in the video that wasn't really there.
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You people need to watch the video again. He said:
"the first and only legitimate DJ controller"
First and only DJ controller? No. beatmania was.
First and only LEGITIMATE DJ CONTROLLER? Yes. You can't plug a IIDX controller in to your PC and use it with Reason or MixMeister or whatever DJ software without a lot of bullshit and drawbacks.
This has an analog TT, a crossfader, and MPC buttons. You can use it to DJ if you're that lame.
Get over whatever quote you think you heard in the video that wasn't really there.
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Originally Posted by gtc
You people need to watch the video again. He said:
"the first and only legitimate DJ controller"
First and only DJ controller? No. beatmania was.
First and only LEGITIMATE DJ CONTROLLER? Yes. You can't plug a IIDX controller in to your PC and use it with Reason or MixMeister or whatever DJ software without a lot of bullshit and drawbacks.
This has an analog TT, a crossfader, and MPC buttons. You can use it to DJ if you're that lame.
Get over whatever quote you think you heard in the video that wasn't really there.
Read these, and then read them again. Maybe even a third time.
All I heard was "first and only legitimate dj controller" and I lol'd. The thing is that the control looks so much like a BM 5-key control and calling it the first dj control is just arrogant. The only thing at all that would make it "legitimate" is that its made by a company that makes real and well known DJ equipment. But even then, its not even a legitimate DJ Controller because its not a real DJing mixing device. It's irrelevant if you can use a Midi plugin to wire the Scratch Deck to FL Studio, Cubase, or Reason, if you can't use it as a standalone, its not a real nor legitimate mixing device, just another plastic toy to play "simulation" games.
Also you can't deny the fact the game itself is no where near a step up in innovation just as beatmania hasn't had any major innovations in years since the introduction of +2 new keys, speed and scroll mods and what not. (I'm not sure to even count hold notes in IIDX 17 as one since we have Ez2dj and O2jam which have hold notes).
DJ Hero made a control that not only not look like a beatmania or dj max rip-off, but it actually added innovation of Guitar and Mic compatibility, that I'm just realizing no other DJ Music game has yet to do. While I also can't stand the sight of the controller because of buttons on the turntable, at least they went the originality route and have a playable game that actually looks fun and like a real dj experience (again, besides the buttons on the turntable, which I need to get used to seeing)
[If you TL;DR this, what I'm saying is, Scratch's controller is not the first dj controller, not legitimate at all, and The game is total rip off and offers no innovation]
How does what people say in the video affect the game at all
Microsoft could say "We hate black people" and I'd probably still buy their shit, because it doesn't make the game any worse or anything, so how does the makers of Scratch market trying to market their game by saying "First and only legitimate DJ controller" matter?
How about this, if you want to keep on believing that it's a rip off before the game has even come out, you can do that. But honestly, you and everyone else who thinks this game's a rip-off should really get over it and realize that game IP's get, "ripped-off" daily.tl;dr Simpsons already did it so get over it already.
I'm talking mainly about the controller here, as that's the focus of the video. Not the gameplay. The controller.
Also, the Simpsons got sued for ripping off Crazy Taxi, so it's not out of the question that KON*gets shot*
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Microsoft could say "We hate black people" and I'd probably still buy their shit, because it doesn't make the game any worse or anything, so how does the makers of Scratch market trying to market their game by saying "First and only legitimate DJ controller" matter?
1. your analogy is apples to oranges.
2. The validity of such a claim. Under other circumstances, if they had done things slightly differently the matter could easily fall under false advertising - which is illegal.
I like rap and hip-hop.
This game doesn't look so bad...a bit boring, but not bad.
I can't say that they are the only "legitimate" dj game controller, but from someone who used to do djing a few years ago, the inclusion of a crossfader gets them points (though I'm betting only a couple of you know what I'm talking about.)
DJ Hero made a control that not only not look like a beatmania or dj max rip-off, but it actually added innovation of Guitar and Mic compatibility, that I'm just realizing no other DJ Music game has yet to do.
Ever heard of a game called Scratch? I heard they have mic compatibility too. Oh shit wait
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[If you TL;DR this, what I'm saying is, Scratch's controller is not the first dj controller,
Oh no shit so what is?
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total rip off and offers no innovation]
Sample recording, battle record creation, fully functioning crossfader, touch sensitive turntable, but how would you know it's not like you actually knew anything about the game before you formulated your blind opinions.
DJ Hero made a control that not only not look like a beatmania or dj max rip-off, but it actually added innovation of Guitar and Mic compatibility, that I'm just realizing no other DJ Music game has yet to do.
Ever heard of a game called Scratch? I heard they have mic compatibility too. Oh shit wait
The claim of "first and only legitimate dj controller" is in question, unless you forgot.
One thing that you CAN say that is a negative against both DJ Hero and Scratch is that they have a narrow range of music genres. I just looked at the songlists so far for both... no house, no trance, no electro, just hop-hop and the like, which leaves a lot of people out, including myself. Although, I did like that Pjanoo by Eric Prydz was on DJ Hero.
Also, like I've experienced with Guitar Hero, much of us pretty much started playing the game on expert because of IIDX... if you play that, then neither game will probably be of much interest if you want to be challenged.
Props to Scratch for having a controller that looks and acts like real-world equipment, even if it is Numark.
Posted by tora - Mon 06/15 2009 - 07:17 PM [ quote ]
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first and only legitimate dj controller
so, what the hell my iidx is?
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legitimate dj controller
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legitimate dj controller
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legitimate dj controller
IIDX is not a legitimate DJ controller.
Can you plug it up through a USB interface and actually use it (without problems) in a mixing/production program on your PC? Probably not.
That's what NUMARK is marketing this as, you're probably going to be able to use this with your favourite music production program since it's USB enabled.
Can your IIDX do that? NO.
It's already been stressed that this is how they're marketing it. NOT as "first and only DJ controller" but first and only LEGITIMATE dj controller.
Jesus fucking christ people learn to read or Mint Mania and I will start giving infractions.
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Microsoft could say "We hate black people" and I'd probably still buy their shit, because it doesn't make the game any worse or anything, so how does the makers of Scratch market trying to market their game by saying "First and only legitimate DJ controller" matter?
1. your analogy is apples to oranges.
2. The validity of such a claim. Under other circumstances, if they had done things slightly differently the matter could easily fall under false advertising - which is illegal.
1. No, they're both comments that would get people enraged
2. About 1000 other people covered this so if you don't understand by now you're basically retarded, also Guitar Hero is better than IIDX I hope this splurgs your keyboard
IIDX focuses on gameplay as a game rather than a simulator. To some rather distant effect, it might simulate it. But then again, technology was different in 1999 (or 1997 for 5-key) and there wasn't easy cheap ways to do what you can do now for much cheaper. Plus being Japanese-developed, the focus of the game is different. You can't market a game the same way in Japan than in America.
Scratch looks to actually replicate rather than being a full-blown game focusing purely on the game aspect, which could be fun I suppose, but may not have as lasting of an appeal and still may only attract a particular crowd.
I just only wish these other companies would give konami their credit. I mean konami has only been innovating in this genre for a good decade.
I just can't understand why the bemani series has to live in obscurity while the general public only credits the companies who are now only getting into this genre with their respective offerings?
I know that the two gaming cultures are different, but I just wish that americans would allow themselves to experience what we as enthusieists have taken for granted.
Also, I see this has nothing but a beatmania rip off in terms of gameplay and controller design. I know others might not want to hear this, but I only hope konami has something to say about this.
Dj hero looks a bit better than scratch with gameplay, the control for scratch is trying to be "legitimate" but it looks easy as hell.
I honestly dont care about either too much this early.
I just want IIDX empress on mah ps2 ._.
The games looks pretty crazy. I'm looking forward to it since the stepmania crowd isn't as big is it used to be and it doesn't look like I'll have to transition much.
Posted by Fishious - Sat 06/20 2009 - 04:45 AM [ quote ]
Can someone provide a link or a quote or something that shows that the turntable and crossfader can be used outside of the game. If you're only assuming what is the reasoning behind that?
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Perhaps they're calling this the first legitimate DJ controller because it kind of could be.
Except he said for video gamers which everyone in this trainwreck has omitted from their paraphrasing.
Seriously though it's a promotional video why wouldn't they say that, do you people think that someone promoting a product is going to stop to pay respect to the bemani gods? Why would you get upset over this?
Maybe it is the idea that their claim might not be true, and that their claim ignores previous video game achievements in the particular sub-genre.
Would you have preferred they gave a review of IIDX with a rating of 5/5 while they were at it? You really have no idea how marketing works, do you.
Posted by Oni-91 - Sat 06/20 2009 - 01:02 PM [ quote ]
I don't really want either game, to be honest.
Posted by Fishious - Sat 06/20 2009 - 08:45 PM [ quote ]
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Maybe it is the idea that their claim might not be true, and that their claim ignores previous video game achievements in the particular sub-genre.
At least that's why I think the upset-ness is so high.
Of course that's why people are getting upset over it and it's both predictable and moronic. Do these same people dive into embarassing arguments whenever someone makes a claim about GH's difficulty?
There is a reason why many decent players avoid these communities like the plague.
Posted by gtc - Sun 06/21 2009 - 02:58 AM [ quote ]
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Perhaps they're calling this the first legitimate DJ controller because it kind of could be. It's going to be USB, will have an analog turntable,
STOP.
Do you know what analog means?
I'm probably using really outdated terminology but yes I do. I'm referring to it using a range of voltage or other method to report rotation speed as opposed to an on/off circuit (like a IIDX home controller). It's obviously a digital controller. I'm not completely dense.
Posted by Draxin - Sun 06/21 2009 - 04:14 AM [ quote ]
*Grabs KOC to play Scratch hero*...sorry whats this about a legitamate controller?
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