No plans for DDR X US Upgrade kits
Posted by ranatalus - Thu 08/27 2009 - 02:52 PM - 1660 Views
Received this email from an account rep at Betson:
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Originally Posted by Betson Rep
Thank you for your inquiry about the DDR X upgrade kits. Unfortunately we do not have any available, and for now there are no plans to make any. However the new DDR X game is now available if you are interested.
Funny, since I heard they told someone else that upgrade kits were currently going to cost $8,000 (which is also ridiculous).
The only slight glimmer of hope in the entire conversation I had with Betson was the following:
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Konami's e-Amusement service is still in the process of being created. It
will be available sometime in the near future.
However, we've heard this in the past, so I'll believe it when I see it.
Well I honestly think all this DDR X crap boils down to this. Japan really only cares about japan. They don't really give a fuck about the usa. And they don't ever want the usa to have the same thing as good as there version. I don't think konami has ever really been trying the best they could for the usa arcade versions. (supernova through x) If konami wanted the usa to have upgrade kits for x and a decent machine for x we would.
They've had supernova, supernova 2 and now X. And STILL having stupid problems like this.
I mean look at the fps issues and problems with the ultramix series and universe series. Really really sad that they haven't ever fixed that. It's because they really don't care there too. If they really wanted to fix it they could. Notice how those series didn't ever ever see the light of day in japan too?
Just think if konami wouldn't have had to worry about ITG too. I just wonder what would have happened then. I would think ITG in a way actually helped DDR in the usa a lot. By making konami actually do something in the arcades for the usa.
And I know I could be totally wrong about all this. But it's what it looks like to me.
Well I honestly think all this DDR X crap boils down to this. Japan really only cares about japan.
Is it really a Konami Japan problem though? Isn't it the american sides job to get these arcades up and running at 100%? Why would Japan help the american side when it seems they don't want to or care to put out a good product to their arcades?
I mean look at the fps issues and problems with the ultramix series and universe series. Really really sad that they haven't ever fixed that. It's because they really don't care there too.
But lets be honest here. It seems that every other xbox version just seems to have so much more effort than there US counter parts, especially in the added steps/new licenses part. But yeah. Japan tends to care more for japanese gamers more than Americans. And no I don't think its a demand issue. Final Fantasy/Kingdom Hearts sell HUGE here as well, yet we don't see the special editions of said games.
Isn't it the american sides job to get these arcades up and running at 100%?
The American branch's job to take the blame for everything wrong that happens with Bemani ever, even if they had almost nothing to do with it.
In all seriousness, if Konami really cared about Bemani in the US, they would not just sit there and watch the Bemani series get its name tarnished by horrible botchjobs like this.
Consider it may be a ploy to push the shit-o-cabs, with a follow-up upgrade kit once the sales completely taper off (should be a few weeks at most).
Not sure if the e-amuse thing is great news either, since all four X cabs will be the only networked ones AND most regulars that would use the feature won't be playing X often enough to make it worth it.
Posted by Karl - Thu 08/27 2009 - 08:31 PM [ quote ]
Yes, run this serious more into the ground. Force people to buy your expensive paper weights.
Konami USA was FULLY aware of the framerate issues.
Programming often still happens in Japan. They asked Japan to get it fixed.
Japan didn't seem to care.
Konami USA wanted to make the best games possible, believe me. But there's only so much you can do when you have to deal with tons of bureaucracy and red tape.
Just don't blame the guys who really *WERE* trying.
Guys, remember, the Betson rep mentioned "<b>FOR NOW</b>" about no plans for a DDR X upgrade kit, so you gotta take it at face value. I believe this was the same deal when SN first came out and then the kits came out sometime in the fall of '06 and not during the dedicab release, so if there's any indication, we may as well get our sources from someone higher than a sales rep in that company, and wait for more confirmation a couple of months down the line. Since it came out in June, they should have kits ready by late fall.
no sn always was going to have kits; just not right away. they were very late compared to what betson said (september 06 was said, december 06 was when they actually popped up) so i guess it makes sense why they wouldn't give any info now.
I'd be more pissed off with this news if DDR X was worth playing. Still, I see this as bad news all around.
This is the third of three DDR AC games in a row that Konami Digital Entertainment Japan has given us the middle finger for. It's obvious at this point they don't care about churning out a good DDR game than they do making money with unfinished, glitch-ridden games. They've had three chances (Supernova, Supernova 2, and X) in the last several years to get AC DDR down with U.S. customers, and they've failed each and every time.
I'm officially done with supporting DDR in America AC-wise. It's nothing but a lost cause at this point. Just leave the series in Japan if you don't give a shit about non-Japanese people, Konami.
Posted by K.AuthoR - Fri 08/28 2009 - 04:01 AM [ quote ]
Then who manufactures the cabinets? Whoever it is, Konami and Betson eventually have to give it an OK before it can be sold, so they both still deserve to be smacked.
Posted by Daniel - Fri 08/28 2009 - 04:02 AM [ quote ]
Absolutely pathetic. They are making no effort to have good fundamentals in the US. Maybe DDR X is a really clever plant by vengeful ITG and PIU fans.
Posted by kent - Fri 08/28 2009 - 04:12 AM [ quote ]
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Originally Posted by ctc43f
Consider it may be a ploy to push the shit-o-cabs, with a follow-up upgrade kit once the sales completely taper off (should be a few weeks at most)
Konami USA was FULLY aware of the framerate issues.
Programming often still happens in Japan. They asked Japan to get it fixed.
Japan didn't seem to care.
Konami USA wanted to make the best games possible, believe me. But there's only so much you can do when you have to deal with tons of bureaucracy and red tape.
Just don't blame the guys who really *WERE* trying.
This actually does make a lot of sense. Japan's the source and could make everything better but they don't. I bet they couldn't stand it if the usa ever had a better version of ddr too. At least it's good to know they cared in the usa.
And if I remember right you mean Ziptai on ddrfreak and the other konami usa people right?
Posted by Oni-91 - Fri 08/28 2009 - 04:26 AM [ quote ]
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Originally Posted by Betson
However the new DDR X game is now available if you are interested.
Posted by DM Ashura - Fri 08/28 2009 - 04:59 AM [ quote ]
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Originally Posted by Terra (RED)
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Originally Posted by DM Ashura
Just so you guys know.
Konami USA was FULLY aware of the framerate issues.
Programming often still happens in Japan. They asked Japan to get it fixed.
Japan didn't seem to care.
Konami USA wanted to make the best games possible, believe me. But there's only so much you can do when you have to deal with tons of bureaucracy and red tape.
Just don't blame the guys who really *WERE* trying.
This actually does make a lot of sense. Japan's the source and could make everything better but they don't. I bet they couldn't stand it if the usa ever had a better version of ddr too. At least it's good to know they cared in the usa.
And if I remember right you mean Ziptai on ddrfreak and the other konami usa people right?
I don't know Ziptai, but the people I worked with on Universe 3 - Charlie, Hiro, Joe, and Ryan - had the community's best interests at heart.
Posted by 457! - Fri 08/28 2009 - 07:56 AM [ quote ]
I didn't read any of the comments, but just so you know Play a round golf and games in VA will be a test center for e-amusement. My manager has talked to betson
Posted by 「dj.TK」 - Fri 08/28 2009 - 10:08 AM [ quote ]
Just leave the series in Japan if you don't give a shit about non-Japanese people, Konami.
Honestly, this. We all managed just fine when machines had to be imported from Japan. I was ecstatic when I first heard about SN and thought that they were finally going to pay attention to fans here. But we don't need the table scraps of whatever's left over from working on Japanese DDR. The way they're half-assing it and just expecting us to be grateful for whatever they give us is more insulting than when they didn't produce any US AC mixes at all.
if they "EVER" release the ddrx upgrade will it be the same as sn2? (marquee, artwork and cd) because some of us that have a extreme and below cab that want to upgrade to x cant since its not using the dell computer (x ) or japan ps2 (sn, sn2), i hope they can sell you a full upgrade kit for the old machines, older machines actually have better pads than the new wooden ones.
and c'mon why the fuck is betson putting keypads and e-amusement card slots on the dedicabs if their not going to make it work??? all 4 golflands in the bay area c.a. have it...
Posted by itg4mike - Sun 08/30 2009 - 12:52 AM [ quote ]
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Originally Posted by WTFseabass
and c'mon why the fuck is betson putting keypads and e-amusement card slots on the dedicabs if their not going to make it work??? all 4 golflands in the bay area c.a. have it...
But I like poking at the useless keypad things when Im bored...
Oh and is it just me or does anyone else think the machine looks like a fatass too compared to any other ddr machine... xD???
Just leave the series in Japan if you don't give a shit about non-Japanese people, Konami.
Honestly, this. We all managed just fine when machines had to be imported from Japan. I was ecstatic when I first heard about SN and thought that they were finally going to pay attention to fans here. But we don't need the table scraps of whatever's left over from working on Japanese DDR.
Back then it wasn't as bad as it is now, in the early days of DDR - arcade OR Console. What the fuck happened?
Sure, DDR USA (arcade) was bastardized 3rd Mix, and we DID get 1st Mix (arcade and console) - albiet with some musical changes, so it would be inaccurate to say there wasn't DDR in the U.S legitimately before SuperNova in the arcade world at least.
Posted by dahrkdaiz - Mon 08/31 2009 - 11:16 AM [ quote ]
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Originally Posted by WTFseabass
if they "EVER" release the ddrx upgrade will it be the same as sn2? (marquee, artwork and cd)
No, X uses different hardware. An X upgrade would be similar to a supernova upgrade with brand new hardware innards. The sequel to X will be like the upgrade to SN2 (software upgrade).
if they "EVER" release the ddrx upgrade will it be the same as sn2? (marquee, artwork and cd)
No, X uses different hardware. An X upgrade would be similar to a supernova upgrade with brand new hardware innards. The sequel to X will be like the upgrade to SN2 (software upgrade).
OK so if they ever release it then that means extreme cab owners have another chance to get the latest hardware since the supernova ps2 bemani hardware was only released in limited quantities...ima start saving up just in case they ever release it. beatson should realease it since its a dell computer and their selling those computer for $600, i checked their mainpage. i also checked when they turned on the ddr machines at golfland it had a dell boot up page...
