RUMOR: Pump PRO Machine Update Song Samples
Posted by kent - Tue 06/17 2008 - 10:21 PM - 2201 Views
Hey everyone -
I noticed a very interesting speculation post made concerning the progress of our Pump Pro content pack. (A user from this board is even responsible for posting this false information.)
I wanted to be sure that people heard directly without confusion....
Most songs revealed are NOT part of our first content pack for Pump Pro. They are NOT confirmed and were part of something completely unrelated.
The only songs you will see available in this pack are by "Coconut" and we hope that you enjoy these new Pop additions.
We wanted to surprise you with the list, but since the community seems to have wanted differently, There you have it!
Progress continues and the update will go into beta shortly. Thank you for your patience and I apologize for some of the actions by your community members.
~Kyle
(Additionally, remember to not believe everything that you see from an unjustified source)
This seriously made me laugh out loud. That's not right.
Posted by Kimo - Wed 06/18 2008 - 12:16 AM [ quote ]
Good Lord. If it wasn't for Crazy Frog I'd probably enjoy this.
Posted by Piano Man - Wed 06/18 2008 - 12:48 AM [ quote ]
Full of fail, in my humble opinion.
Ok, I'm not going to be humble, seriously that list is so full of fail it hurts. So glad I never liked Pro to begin with...
Posted by Xayro - Wed 06/18 2008 - 12:51 AM [ quote ]
That Jesus Is Remix is pretty sweet.
Posted by Kuhazan - Wed 06/18 2008 - 01:44 AM [ quote ]
:| .....................
Ok yeah the Jesus Is Remix is ok... but the rest is .............................
Posted by BemaniAK - Wed 06/18 2008 - 03:15 AM [ quote ]
gummybear? crazy frog?
negative +1
Posted by Soten - Wed 06/18 2008 - 03:20 AM [ quote ]
crazy from = +1 neg
Posted by Zukin-Man - Wed 06/18 2008 - 04:41 AM [ quote ]
Crazy Frog? This can die.
Posted by KKyuubi - Wed 06/18 2008 - 06:39 AM [ quote ]
I can't think about this without qutoing Schlagwerk. Uber-fail for the Leekspin ripoff, why must all of these songs you chose be RINGTONE NOVELTY SONGS?
Why couldn't we have had Pretty Green Onions instead?
I know, I know, if you don't like the song don't play it.
But I hate Crazy Frog so much, I'd rather not play the machine at all, at the risk of hearing it or anyone else play it.
I noticed a very interesting speculation post made concerning the progress of our Pump Pro content pack. (A user from this board is even responsible for posting this false information.)
I wanted to be sure that people heard directly without confusion....
Most songs revealed are NOT part of our first content pack for Pump Pro. They are NOT confirmed and were part of something completely unrelated.
The only songs you will see available in this pack are by "Coconut" and we hope that you enjoy these new Pop additions.
We wanted to surprise you with the list, but since the community seems to have wanted differently, There you have it!
Progress continues and the update will go into beta shortly. Thank you for your patience and I apologize for some of the actions by your community members.
haha who cares. all those songs would have sucked, just like all the other originals they added in this game.
it's REALLY stupid to get upset at people interested in your game, and it's even stupider to try to insinuate that they ruined something when all they're doing is spreading the news to get people excited. you should be thankful that bacon gives this game as much attention as he does. you need all the support you can get. these guys reek of unprofessionalism and it's embarrassing that they represent part of the US dance gaming population.
He's made nearly all of ITG. Which is more successful than anything you'll ever do.
That does not change the fact that Kyle Ward is a talentless self-centered faggot.
Posted by Disco - Wed 06/18 2008 - 07:26 PM [ quote ]
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Kyle Ward is a talentless self-centered faggot.
What have you done?
He's made nearly all of ITG. Which is more successful than anything you'll ever do.
That does not change the fact that Kyle Ward is a talentless self-centered faggot.
Talentless? You can't be serious, go listen to all the songs he's made, sure they arn't the best but htey arn't terrible. It does take some "talent" to make a decent song.
He indirectly ruined DDR by making a cheap knock-off of it, depending on hard charts to attract an audience. When I say "cheap", I mean that ITG is simply StepMania with a custom theme. Anyone could make a game like it in a few months and release it for free, BUT NO, he had the balls to try to replace DDR with it. And then he whined about it failing, when it didn't really have a chance of succeeding. The only good thing he did was make PIU Pro, but there are few people who would rather play that than any previous version.
Lesson learned: be more obvious when trying to make sarcastic replies. =\
bacon just made an honest mistake and took a joke seriously haha. I don't see why he should be untrustworthy now (don't beat yourself up over it, bacon).
Just make sure you... uh, stop a joke before it gets this far XD
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What's your quarrel with him anyways?
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The big problem I can see with people not liking him is that he seems to think he is fixing a problem with something that isn't broke. With DDR he didn't try to take it over, however. In fact, without ITG I'm sure the last DDR mix would still be Extreme in the arcades. The only way he messed up ITG (other than focusing on everything 10+ in difficulty (can't say this isn't true, considering how many people just LOVE padding keyboard files now thanks to r21)) is replacing DDR cabinets with it, which caused its demise.
However, with Pro, he and everyone that has never played Pump but a few times (and those that have played it a long time for whatever reason) believe that adding buttons, a mod menu, and more "well-known" songs fixes what Pump It Up offered when the entire time Pump was and still is its own identity compared to the other dancing games. Pump's focus on the K-Pop genre makes it a game of Korean culture, and not just the pop-like songs either. Sure it wasn't catered to American audiences, but then again it never was intended to be. Kyle Ward and the developers did a fine job in making it a bit more "Americanized" I guess, but in the end they just ended up with ITG 5-Panel edition (which I lost interest in a few months back), throwing not much new to the table other than a few SM4 goodies that ended up being replicated anyway through themes. Then they had the nerve to release it right after NX was released and, not only that, but replace machines that had NX for only a week with Pro. Nexcade even saw this as bad as indicated in the Pro crossover songs in NX2.
Would it be a fine game if they did their own cabinet, or did the old GX cabinets instead, selling the game through those while NX on sold the FX machines, while at the same time only relying on original content? Sure. It would have been a branch off the main series without removing games from the older series. Instead, though, they are still trying to get their game sold, and with NX2 out (which not only is the best Pump mix in years but probably the best arcade game PERIOD due to the size of WorldMAX (opinion of course)) and want to have people upgrade to something that has been offered before but not touched up on since then.
Now he never "ruined DDR" at all. In fact, he probably helped it prosper. Without it you'd probably be relying only on the console releases until sales stopped coming to it. Was ITG the best? No, but it did try to change it up. Sadly they didn't change it up (and weren't going to either) each game, and Pro even shows it with many of the stepcharts of songs from ITG being practically the same thing as their ITG counterparts.
Posted by kent - Wed 06/18 2008 - 09:46 PM [ quote ]
A replacement for DDR isn't a bad thing is it?
Just as long that it is good enough as DDR currently is? lol
Posted by Disco - Wed 06/18 2008 - 11:19 PM [ quote ]
@ cpubasic13
Thankyou for a valid response.
Posted by eddie - Thu 06/19 2008 - 12:09 AM [ quote ]
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In fact, without ITG I'm sure the last DDR mix would still be Extreme in the arcades.
Try again, they never intended on canceling the franchise (especially with the popularity in the US), they just wanted to take a step back and rethink the formula from a worldwide perspective. Until SuperNOVA, DDR had been very split between the US, UK and Japan. A fresh start was their chance to try and build something that could be accepted in the worldwide market. When Extreme came out, the tagline was "We're starting over" and NAOKI had stated in several interviews that the series was simply "taking a break". This was repeated time after time, it just happens that it took them close to 4 years to get something together that they felt was worth releasing. In The Groove had absolutely NO bearing on the future of arcade DDR. If it did, don't you think they would've done more with the game itself to draw players away from ITG? When SN1 released, it kept the same formula that made DDR so successful in the first place, it just did it in a way that was accessible to anyone.
ITG was a game made by the stepmania team for people who play stepmania. That doesn't make it bad, but it clearly had it's market. There was no way that ITG ever stood a chance to break into the mainstream market, because it was so clearly focused on people who already played dance games. I don't feel it was ever intended to replace DDR, but it definitely had it's market clearly laid out for them. This is in the same way that Pump it Up as a franchise has it's market all figured out. You can argue that ITG ruined dance games, I'll agree to a certain point and only because of R21, but at the same time it breathed new life into a genre that really didn't have much in the sense of brand competition.
R21, while being great for hardcore players, is absolutely horrible for arcade owners, and horrible for the natural progression of dance games as a whole. Players have figured out ways to make their single games in ITG2 last up to 40 minutes now. That isn't profitable, it's excessive. And by giving players the ability to make steps to their own songs and play them in an arcade setting it completely screws up not only the competitive aspect of the games, but also their ability to introduce players to new types of music. If everyone playing on an ITG machine plays their own songs, it's misleading to bystanders and it also removes that whole "hey, who is that?" factor to the music. I think that's one of the most important things about rhythm games, their ability to promote artists and introduce people to new styles of music.
Either way, the team from ITG and Pump Pro have done a great job at realizing their vision and making it appeal to a market that understands them. I applaud them for that. The fact that they get criticism and have people who outright don't like their work is just more proof that they're doing something right as a whole. It just would've been nice if they would've done it in a more legally viable and respectable way the first time out. They have some amazing ideas, and as players themselves you can tell they really take pride in what they release. Even in you don't like what they do, you should give them respect for that.
Posted by MechaGai - Thu 06/19 2008 - 01:31 AM [ quote ]
Uhh, I don't appreciate all the ITG "fans" that say things like "DDR sucks" and how HARDCORE ITG is, TYVM.
Posted by Piano Man - Thu 06/19 2008 - 01:50 AM [ quote ]
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Uhh, I don't appreciate all the ITG "fans" that say things like "DDR sucks" and how HARDCORE ITG is, TYVM.
At least no one has said that "It doesn't matter cuz I play REAL music games like Rock Band and IIDX".
Also, for everyone bickering about how ITG is better or worse than DDR and KW is the new Jesus Christ with Expert step unlocks... since when did posting a song list (joke or no joke) dictate you need to write tons of text on how your game is better than everyone else's game? It just makes you look like a reactionary zealot. Last I checked, this was a news site for a community; not a bunch of fantards with e-penises.
...then again I avoid forums. Naive me.
Posted by Disco - Thu 06/19 2008 - 02:24 AM [ quote ]
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Uhh, I don't appreciate all the ITG "fans" that say things like "DDR sucks" and how HARDCORE ITG is, TYVM.
When the hell did this turn into a DDR vs. ITG thread?
Yes. About Kyle Ward being a poor artist. He needs our pity.
Posted by Piano Man - Thu 06/19 2008 - 10:15 AM [ quote ]
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When the hell did this turn into a DDR vs. ITG thread?
Let's stay on topic.
All right! Nice to see some people trying to be mature and...
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Yes. About Kyle Ward being a poor artist. He needs our pity.
*facepalm*
Posted by Daniel - Thu 06/19 2008 - 12:35 PM [ quote ]
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R21, while being great for hardcore players, is absolutely horrible for arcade owners, and horrible for the natural progression of dance games as a whole.
Freedom is bad for you.
Posted by Piano Man - Thu 06/19 2008 - 12:52 PM [ quote ]
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R21, while being great for hardcore players, is absolutely horrible for arcade owners, and horrible for the natural progression of dance games as a whole.
Freedom is bad for you.
Oh? And 20 minute songs with tons of bad language isn't bad? I think that is what Eddie is getting at. R23 came out for reasons other than arcade owners being jerks, but for players abusing the system.
Freedom isn't bad for you; taking advantage of of at the expense of others is.
He indirectly ruined DDR by making a cheap knock-off of it, depending on hard charts to attract an audience.
If by "cheap knock-off" you mean "something that actually did something new with the gameplay and included more challenging stepcharts to play," then yes, you hit it right on the head.
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Players have figured out ways to make their single games in ITG2 last up to 40 minutes now. That isn't profitable, it's excessive.
If an operator applies the R21 patch, has players that abuse it with excessively long songs, and then fails to apply R23 to correct that, the operator's own ignorance is to blame.
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When SN1 released, it kept the same formula that made DDR so successful in the first place, it just did it in a way that was accessible to anyone.
The only things that changed were that the text was in English, the songlist was different, they got rid of most of the background movies, and they added a really boring tutorial. Other than those differences, nothing changed...and it still hasn't.
I feel for bacon...I'm really gullible and believe almost anything I hear/read. I would probably have done the same thing =\
I'm finally starting to get to the point where I can play 10s and attempt 11s in Nightmare...so I'm looking forward to any and all new Pro content now.
awesome, now i can get all the arguing without even venturing into the forums.
i usually try to avoid the non-PIU songs when i play Pro, and i dont see any of this changing my opinion on that one, so im not that worried about it.
Posted by Zeon0087 - Fri 06/20 2008 - 08:15 AM [ quote ]
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When SN1 released, it kept the same formula that made DDR so successful in the first place, it just did it in a way that was accessible to anyone.
The only things that changed were that the text was in English, the songlist was different, they got rid of most of the background movies, and they added a really boring tutorial. Other than those differences, nothing changed...and it still hasn't.
I think he refers to SN1 being an actual official worldwide release, unlike most previous ones which were basically imported.
Also, they did make it on a higher resolution that older versions, kind of gives it a cleaner look.
frankly, do research on good songs with a real style and genre. that songlist disgusts me
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Also, they did make it on a higher resolution that older versions, kind of gives it a cleaner look.
SAME technology, SAME interface, not much innovations. DDR isn't doing much experimentation on the franchise these days. more like just serving up to he players just to get some profit in their wallets. and the new songs are obviously to be expected.
